Battle at Bethpage - 2025 Ryder Cup

The Tin Cup Club joins the show to talk about the 2025 edition of the Ryder Cup.  

The 2025 Ryder Cup: A Clash of Titans at Bethpage Black

The 45th edition of the Ryder Cup is set to electrify the golf world from September 26–28, 2025, at the legendary Bethpage Black Course in Farmingdale, New York. Known for its brutal layout and passionate crowds, Bethpage promises a fiery atmosphere as Team USA and Team Europe battle for supremacy in this biennial match-play showdown.

Ryder Cup history

🏆 Ryder Cup History: A Legacy of Passion, Pride, and Pressure

The Ryder Cup is one of golf’s most storied and emotionally charged events—a biennial team competition between the United States and Europe that transcends individual achievement and celebrates national pride, camaraderie, and match-play drama.

📜 Origins & Evolution

• Founded: 1927, first played at Worcester Country Club in Massachusetts
• Named After: English businessman Samuel Ryder, who donated the trophy
• Original Format: USA vs. Great Britain
• Expanded: In 1979, the European team began including players from continental Europe to increase competitiveness

💰 Ryder Cup Revenue: A Record-Breaking 2025 Edition

The 2025 Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black is expected to generate record-breaking revenue, driven by unprecedented demand, premium pricing, and global fan engagement.

📈 Estimated Revenue Highlights

• Ticket Revenue Alone: Expected to exceed $100 million, with general admission tickets priced at $750 and practice-round tickets starting at $250—both sold out.
• Corporate Hospitality: Limited inventory remains, with premium packages contributing significantly to overall earnings.
• Volunteer Program: Over 4,000 volunteers, each paying $350 for uniforms and meals, adding another layer of revenue.
• TV Rights: The PGA of America has a 15-year, $440 million broadcast deal through 2030. The Ryder Cup contributes roughly $88 million to the PGA Tour over that span.

🏦 Where the Money Goes

• PGA of America: Uses Ryder Cup revenue to fund operations, including annual payments to its 41 regional chapters (increased from $90K to $180K each).
• Players: Do not receive direct compensation, but each gets a $200,000 charitable gift to donate at their discretion.

This year’s event is not just a golf tournament—it’s a financial juggernaut. Want help turning this into a podcast segment or a LinkedIn post that blends sport and business strategy? I’d be glad to help.

Transcript

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Jesse Stakes: Hey everybody, welcome to Making Sense of It All, I'm your host, Jesse Stakes, and I have the 10 Cup Club, as we are talking everything 2025 Ryder Cup today. Mike, thanks so much for joining me.

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Mike Padron: Yes, sir, looking forward to the conversation.

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Jesse Stakes: Wes, as always, thank you for joining these conversations. It's always a… it's always a blast.

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Wes Altice: Yeah, always have fun looking forward to another, another good one with the Ryder Cup.

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Jesse Stakes: So, before we even get started, I think it's so cool, because, like, the Ryder Cup is kind of what started this whole thing, just because it's…

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Jesse Stakes: I mean, we were kind of brought together through a golf trip that you guys started. It's, you know, that you and Mike Shelton started Padron, and it was really kind of based off of the Ryder Cup, and how much fun the format is, how it's, you know, fun to do something that's a competitive team event.

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Jesse Stakes: And so, I thought, you know, this is probably my favorite episode that we have recorded so far as, you know, this year, when it comes to the golf episodes I've done. So, glad we could do this.

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Mike Padron: Absolutely, that's obviously the catalyst for Tin Cup.

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Mike Padron: It's no secret, I absolutely love match play. Always have. I love the team aspect of everything. And ironically, this is the only time of year that I will actually wear this.

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Mike Padron: USA hat, and have a USA flag hanging. I mean, it's just… it's crazy I can wear the red, white, and blue, because…

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Mike Padron: The rest of the time, we're… the three of us, actually, ironically, and the two USA guys weren't able to make it, but can wear the red, white, and blue, because it's so funny, because we're Team Europe the rest of the time, and always talking about Team Europe, but, yeah, that's what inspired it, and ever since then, we just absolutely love it, and it's just, it's so fun to talk about it, and…

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Mike Padron: It's my favorite, my favorite part, and unfortunately, it's only twice a year, or every other year, but it's, it's a great, great, thing in the world of golf.

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Jesse Stakes: Hey, you're my pal, so I'm gonna give you a real, like, quick chance to recant this, because you said it's the only time of the year that you wear that hat, and the only time that you wave that flag? Come on, brother. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

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Jesse Stakes: I'm sure.

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Mike Padron: I'm saying, in golf, I don't… I do wear this, I'm saying, and I do fly the flag quite a bit.

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Jesse Stakes: Killing me, Smalls!

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Mike Padron: It's always outside my house. I'm saying, when it comes to match play and stuff like that, we're always Team Europe, because that's what we are as a team, but it's funny that we're Team Europe, but, like, when we're in these 10-cup podcasts.

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Mike Padron: Where it's hard to be, like, Team USA. So this is kind of where we're, like, full gung-ho Team USA, because it's the Ryder Cup.

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Jesse Stakes: Hey, it's like… it's like those Civil War reenactments. I mean, you wear whatever uniform you wear.

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Wes Altice: That's a whole different conversation.

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Jesse Stakes: Fair enough. Alright, boys, before we get started, what you drinking?

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Wes Altice: I got me some, Old Route 8.

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Wes Altice: Little… little present from our friend, Justin McHahill.

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Jesse Stakes: Nice.

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Wes Altice: Very nice, very smooth, like it a lot.

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Jesse Stakes: Is it from Kentucky, or where's old Route 8 from?

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Wes Altice: It says the… this one came from the Augusta Distillery.

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Jesse Stakes: Very nice.

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Wes Altice: But Drem, what you got? We'll go with that.

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Mike Padron: Alright, so I kinda got a cool one here, guys.

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Mike Padron: I actually have Elijah Craig Toasted Barrel. This is the… 2023 Ryder Cup Edition.

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Wes Altice: -Oh!

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Mike Padron: So, this one's actually, because it was 2023 Ryder Cup Edition, this one was finished in European toasted oak barrels. So, I just looked it up, and I haven't been able to find it yet. The one for the 2025 is the Elijah Craig Small Batch, and it is, the American.

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Jesse Stakes: one, so it's actually got an ode to something with New York, and I gotta… now I gotta find it, now I really gotta find it.

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Mike Padron: It's something to do with, like, and something with the whiskey in New York, kind of gets thrown in there. So I'm gonna be on the hunt for that pretty soon, but that's what I got. I got the 2023, ironically, the European version, the toasted up barrels.

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Jesse Stakes: But it's the Ryder Cup, at least.

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Jesse Stakes: Very cool. So I've got, you know, what you would normally, you know, Buffalo Trace, but this bottle's pretty cool. This was given to me as a gift from some friends that you guys know as well, the guys over at AA Entertainment.

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Wes Altice: Oh, nice.

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Jesse Stakes: They had a… they had a barrel done for them, where they had bottles out of it they were giving out to… giving out to friends and business partners, and I was lucky enough to get a bottle from them, so shout out to… to Greg and Chris over at AA, thanks for the… thanks for the drink, boys.

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Wes Altice: That's awesome.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, thanks for the bottle, Greg.

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Wes Altice: Go knock on his door. I will.

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Jesse Stakes: So, before we jump into the Ryder Cup stuff, the Walker Cup just got over. So, you know, it was at Cypress Point, super cool venue, just wanted to get y'all's thoughts on it, as far as, did you watch it, did you enjoy it? You know, is it something to where, you know, just what were your thoughts around the weekend? Padron, I'll start with you.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, like I mentioned earlier, I'm a match play guy, I love it, so I tuned in, Saturday and yesterday, and watched a lot of… I didn't watch a lot of the foursomes in the morning because of football, but I did catch a lot of the singles matches.

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Mike Padron: And I will say, I will say this, that our American future is bright, man. I mean, we've got some sticks on…

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Mike Padron: In the, in the amateur ranks.

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Mike Padron: And one mid-am that's 35 years old. Right. In Hagestan, but…

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Mike Padron: It was really cool, and that's the first time I really… I mean, obviously, I've always known about Cypress Point, but that was the first time I got to sit there and just watch hole by hole, and that course, it looks fake. I mean, it looks… I think I mentioned it to you earlier, it looks like something out of Golden T.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Mike Padron: It looks absolutely fake, like you're playing a video game. But…

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Mike Padron: I will… the one thing I did notice, and I think I saw the record, I started Googling the record of the Walker Cup, is that… and I think it's something like… it kind of leads into a Ryder Cup conversation down the road, but it's something that the Ryder Cup did eventually, was they may have to include continental Europe.

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Mike Padron: Into this at some point, because our record against GB&I is just way lopsided, and although they got some very good players, I think the top

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Mike Padron: 9 players in the world in the amateur ranks were All-American, or something like that. I mean, when you got into singles matches, we were… out of the 10 singles matches yesterday, I think we won 8, tied 1, and lost 1. You can't compete. I mean, it was…

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Mike Padron: It was… it was a…

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Jesse Stakes: it was so lopsided. That sounds like… that sounds like there's two kinds of problems in this world, Padron. I mean, like, I don't.

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Mike Padron: I…

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Jesse Stakes: If they want to keep losing, that's fine with me.

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Mike Padron: I just… I think what's gonna end up happening is… is they're gonna try to probably… they're probably gonna go into a Europe, like a Ryder Cup, USA versus Europe, and try to get it more. Because, I mean, I think Europe and… or Ryder Cup had the same exact kind of problem, where it was… it used to be just Great Britain and Ireland, and then they… and…

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Mike Padron: then they eventually… we were beating them every single year, then they switched it over to Europe, and then now it's…

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Mike Padron: you know, more evenly matched, but, you know, we'll see, but I think just it's…

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Mike Padron: it's so cool to watch on the amateur level, and still how fired up they get. And actually, I was surprised at how fired up I got just watching, you know, the match play, and rooting for USA, and seeing these guys that you don't get to ever see on TV. You just… you see a little bit when the college…

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Mike Padron: stuff comes on, but it was really cool. It was really fun to watch, and a great venue. And the venues these guys play on are some of the best rotation I've ever seen. And if you guys ever get a chance to just Google it, look at the places they've played in the past, and what's coming up. It's absolutely insane. La Hinch coming up.

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Mike Padron: Bandon Dunes coming up, you've got, Pine Valley, Oakmont, they just played St. Andrews. It's insane, where these guys get to play as amateurs, it's incredible.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah. Wes, what'd you think?

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Wes Altice: I actually didn't watch much, I just watched enough just to see the golf course, just because Cypress is one of the, you know, most exclusive and highly thought of,

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Wes Altice: you know, clubs in the world, so I just wanted to get a glimpse of that, and on TV, it looked incredible. I can't even imagine what it looks like.

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Wes Altice: in real life, I'm sure the TV doesn't do it any kind of justice, but I'm like Mike, I love watching the match play, and unfortunately didn't get a chance to… to tune in that much to this year's, but I think it's an awesome event, and I agree with Mike, I think they need to get the rest of Europe involved in this one, because this could get…

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Wes Altice: boring quick if the U.S. keeps… Turning out talent like this.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah, I thought… two things that stood out to me. Like, number one, like you said, Cypress Point, I thought that was fantastic to be able to see every hole of it, kind of get an idea of what the course looks like, because I think the only other times I've seen it are on video games, or just, you know, through still pictures.

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Jesse Stakes: So that was really cool. The other part that I… that really caught my attention was… was Roy McElroy made a statement before it, kind of coming out in favor of GB&I, and kind of talking a little smack, saying, hey, you guys need to beat the U.S, because we're gonna kick their tails next, you know, in the Ryder Cup.

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Jesse Stakes: Which, you know, it just gave a little bit of credibility to the event, it made people pay attention. And the other thing that didn't really get a whole lot of attention, but I thought it was interesting, was that Bryson DeChambeau was on site.

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Jesse Stakes: He actually talked to the U.S. team, he was out there walking around, like, watching him play, and I thought that was pretty impressive. I don't know if anybody… I don't know if any other professionals were out there, but I thought it was pretty cool that he actually showed up, and he actually… he went out there and watched these guys play.

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Wes Altice: Yeah, absolutely. I think that… that was really cool of Bryson, and…

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Wes Altice: you know, I'm sure those kids got fired up having an elite player show up to that and root them on.

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Mike Padron: Well, you know, it's interesting. All his other Ryder Cup teammates are playing in Napa this weekend, and he's right down the road. You know, I'm sure he's there meeting with all of them this week anyways, and supporting them, even though he can't play in the tournament. It's really cool that he still went out there, he's probably still hanging with everybody off the course.

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Mike Padron: And while he's there, he's going and doing this for the, you know, up-and-comers in the American side. That's really cool of him. I thought that was awesome.

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Jesse Stakes: What I think would be fantastic if he's walking inside the ropes, caddying for somebody, or just, like, just watching…

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Jesse Stakes: Buy a ticket, go out and watch the event, just make a…

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Mike Padron: I would not put it, I would not put it past him.

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Wes Altice: I hope he does. I hope he does. I think that would be awesome, just for… I mean, just getting the fans, they're already gonna be jacked up for this thing, but giving him more, and I think… I think 100% he should, and under the table, I think, PGA Tours just hand him a pass, be like, yeah, get out there and get inside the ropes, and let's… let's do this.

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Jesse Stakes: First off, the Ryder Cup, this is the one thing, and I don't want this to be a negative thing, but I know that they wanted him to play originally in that event, and then the PGA Tour shut it down and said that he couldn't, but to me, this whole thing is… it's…

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Jesse Stakes: in my opinion, and I'll throw this out to you guys too, this is the biggest, most exciting event in professional golf, and it's an exhibition, but it's more exciting, it gets more fanfare, like, I feel like it's…

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Jesse Stakes: you know, it only happens every two years, so it doesn't… it doesn't get, you know, there's no… there's no staleness to it ever. But I mean, to me, I'm more excited to watch this than any of the majors that come around, and not… not saying anything negative about the majors, so…

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Jesse Stakes: I felt like the PGA Tour had an opportunity to extend an olive branch there, or to kind of be bigger than the, you know, bigger than the pettiness that they've had with Liv in a little… in a few ways, and just kind of rise above it, and they chose to just…

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Jesse Stakes: you know, go right back in the mud with this whole thing, in my opinion, and make news out of something that did not need to be news. It could have been a nothing burger, and instead they made it something.

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Mike Padron: And everybody will… Go ahead. Go ahead, Wes.

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Wes Altice: Yeah, I think the golf fans wouldn't have gave a crap either way, or… not gave a crap, but…

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Wes Altice: They would love to see Bryson play this event, 100%. No fans would have been up in arms. I think the only problem you have is just they've taken such a hard stance.

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Wes Altice: if they let Bryson go now, what does that open them up to? I don't even know, like, legally. I'm sure there's something in there, but I would have loved to see him play, fans would have loved to see him play. So, I mean, I'm with you, but I guarantee there's gotta be more behind the scenes where

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Wes Altice: probably some lawyer stuff, and I'm like, dude, you can't do this, like, now we're just open to everything and anything.

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Jesse Stakes: Sure. What do you think, Padron?

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Mike Padron: I'm sure everything, like Wes said, it's gonna come down to some legal jargon at some point, but…

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Mike Padron: I don't think… and it probably has something to do with, like, if we let him in, then somebody's gonna say, well, then why can't I get into this event? But it's one player, only because of the Ryder Cup, you know, because his… all his teammates are playing here, like…

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Mike Padron: All… you know, did… these guys all played in the DP, didn't they? I mean, did all these guys play at the…

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Mike Padron: all the European guys had… that Haddon and Ramo played… could have played, I guess, if they wanted to in the Irish… in the Irish Open, right?

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Jesse Stakes: I mean, there was…

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Mike Padron: There's nothing.

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Mike Padron: DP noticed on…

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Jesse Stakes: Bang.

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Mike Padron: It's not the same thing, but they could've if they wanted to. It's not the same body, I mean, it's not… it's not like

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Mike Padron: running the Irish Open, but I'm sure they could have if they wanted to.

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Jesse Stakes: But…

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Wes Altice: Yeah, it's kind of.

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Mike Padron: Nobody would have care.

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Wes Altice: Nod.

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Mike Padron: Nobody would have been like, I can't believe they're letting him do that, we're gonna go after the PGA because they did that. I just think it's… man, it's one player, everybody would have understood that all his teammates are playing there, it's for the Ryder Cup, it's not because of…

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Mike Padron: some exemption, some sponsors giving him, it's just… it's ridiculous. But yeah, I mean, letting him inside the ropes would be just amazing.

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Jesse Stakes: Couldn't it be a sponsor's exemption? And, like, just, you know, like.

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Mike Padron: I don't know.

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Jesse Stakes: It wouldn't even have to be the PGA Tour saying, hey, we're bringing him in as an exemption on our side, but don't sponsors have the right to choose some of the exemptions?

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Wes Altice: They… they do, but it has…

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Mike Padron: -Oh.

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Wes Altice: therein lies your… they can't do it. It can't be a suspended player, from what I understand.

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Jesse Stakes: Wes, go ahead and repeat that, because we lost you for a second.

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Wes Altice: Oh, sorry. Yeah, I think, it's more of, since Bryson is suspended.

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Wes Altice: he's a suspended player on the PGA Tour, that kind of kicks that.

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Jesse Stakes: I gotcha.

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Wes Altice: they can't do it, would be… I gotcha. …my guess from my understanding of it.

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Jesse Stakes: Well, alright, second part of that, and I'll throw it to you, Padron, as far as, to me, like I said, this is my favorite event in golf. Period. Like, what are your thoughts as far as, like, do you think that this is the best event in professional golf?

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Mike Padron: 100%. I don't think there's anything even close.

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Mike Padron: Again, I think it's… I think it's the team aspect of it. Yeah. I think it's…

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Mike Padron: you know, all these guys coming together for country, I think. And you know what's really cool? Obviously, as Americans, it's awesome. We're one country. But I think…

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Mike Padron: And that makes sense, because… We're… we're all Americans, we're one country, we're rooting for one thing.

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Mike Padron: But what's even… if you look at it from the other side, it's even more impressive.

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Mike Padron: You've got multiple countries all coming together for a continent.

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Mike Padron: And they're just as… they're just as fanatical about their side as if they're one country. Like, that's impressive, and they all come together, and when you see, like, all of them come together when we're on a road trip, when we're playing over there in Rome, or in, you know, wherever we go in France.

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Mike Padron: they all come together as if we're playing one country, and that's… it's really cool. That's how… that shows you how big it is, where you've got multiple countries, whether it's Spain, France, England, you know.

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Mike Padron: Ireland, all coming together to unite as one, to root for one side of things, is so cool to watch. And then, like, obviously when they come over here, and how crazy it's gonna be in New York, I have no idea, but I think the team aspect of it makes it…

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Mike Padron: just infinitely bigger than anything else that we see in the golf world. I just… you can't even explain it. The format's completely different, the team aspects of… we have team events all the time, but it's… the team aspect of it is completely different, it's just…

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Mike Padron: Man, it's bigger than… it's bigger than the game, for sure. And I think it just… I think every year, it just seems like it keeps getting bigger and bigger.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt. Wes, what do you think?

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Wes Altice: Yeah, I… this… this is definitely one… this and the Masters are the two I get probably the most geeked up for, for sure.

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Wes Altice: basically all the same things Mike just said, you know, it's team event, it's match play. We don't get to see it that often here in the States, a bunch of match play, since the PGA Tour took it off.

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Wes Altice: part of their, their formats, which was stupid, but I understand TV stuff, but man, I… there's something about match play, even…

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Wes Altice: the national championships, they have match play to determine the national champion. Watching that, the girls and the guys, I mean, I'm… I'm locked in. So yeah, this one, this is, like.

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Wes Altice: 1B, Masters is probably always gonna be 1A for me, but this is definitely, like, 1B.

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Jesse Stakes: Nice. Well, and I tell you, to me, like, what you're saying about, you know.

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Jesse Stakes: all… like, I believe everything used to be really decided by a… I mean, the USGA used to have the US Open be a match play tournament. Like, it's… the PGA Championship used to be… used to be match play. I mean, TV really has kind of pushed things to be stroke play, and I get it. You want to see the best players and all of them on Sunday.

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Jesse Stakes: But if you're truly looking for the best of that event, like, who's playing the best, you play each other. You don't just play the chorus, you play each other, you play a match, and I think that that's, to me, I think that that's huge.

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Jesse Stakes: Real quick, you know, and I… we didn't talk about this beforehand, but you know, the last Ryder Cup, the whole hat thing, like, with… with Cantlay.

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Jesse Stakes: As far as, you know, it came up, and it was, you know, talking about players getting paid for this, because it's, you know, it is a… they're not getting paid. The money goes back to the, you know, the… I think the PGA Tour gets a piece of this, but it really goes to the PGA of America, and it's something that's an exhibition match between the players.

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Jesse Stakes: I thought it… I thought that it showed really negatively on the… on the players for… for even, like, just the way that it was presented last time.

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Jesse Stakes: Do you think that happens again? Do you think that it comes up again in New York this, like, this month, or do you think that that's something that got put to bed, and we probably won't hear from it again, this Ryder Cup?

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Wes Altice: Hopefully it's put to bed. I mean, I think it's kind of dumb if you look at… Roy, I don't think, has ever worn a hat at a Ryder Cup. Can't lay at…

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Wes Altice: I think he wears a hat here and there, but he's pretty much hatless in all the Ryder Cups you look back on, so…

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Wes Altice: It was a tabloid thing, and, you know.

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Jesse Stakes: Or one at the President's Cup.

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Wes Altice: Yeah, you could, but if you look back at Rory and all these other guys, like, some of them just don't like wearing hats for that event.

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Jesse Stakes: Sure.

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Wes Altice: I don't know why, have no idea, but I think, I think this year they're getting,

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Wes Altice: like, stipends or something like that this year, like, a couple hundred grand or whatever, and some of it goes to charity, some goes to their…

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Wes Altice: Traveling expenses or whatnot, so…

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Jesse Stakes: God, because they needed it really bad.

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Wes Altice: No, I mean, you know, these guys making, you know.

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Wes Altice: 20 mil a year, I mean, they need that… they need that so bad, but I don't think it's really that big of a deal, and I really don't think,

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Wes Altice: we'll see anything, especially with it on home soil. I don't think we're gonna see much of anything.

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Jesse Stakes: Right. What do you think, Padron?

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Mike Padron: Yeah, I think and I hope that's done.

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Mike Padron: I don't see that coming back up again.

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Jesse Stakes: Hopefully it's a nothing burger.

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Mike Padron: I think the hat thing, honestly, comes down to comfort. These guys are so used to always wearing… I think Rory's worn a Nike hat for who knows how long, and…

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Jesse Stakes: you know, Cantley's worn whatever hat he's worn for… I don't even… I couldn't even tell you right now, Titleist? I don't even know what he wears, but… I try not to watch him.

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Mike Padron: Whatever, yeah, me neither. But for how long, forever how long, and I just think that he gets there, and they… they give him, hey, this is the polo hat you're gonna wear for… and he's like, pfft, I can't stand it. I mean, I… I have my certain 4 or 5 hats that I like to wear, and I can't stand wearing other ones.

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Mike Padron: Jesse, I know you're a hat guy, and there's certain hats you can't even wear on a golf course. You won't wear on a golf, and it's just because they're uncomfortable. And they just, they're like, you know what, I'd rather just not wear a hat. And I think that's what it came down to, and it became a bigger deal than it was. And then all these rumors came out, like, I'm not getting paid, I'm not getting…

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Mike Padron: These guys will… these guys will play for Team USA for nothing, and if they're adamant about getting paid, I guarantee Maverick McNeely will play… will pay to play in the Ryder Cup this year.

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Wes Altice: 100%.

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Jesse Stakes: Fair enough.

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Mike Padron: Oh, you know.

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Jesse Stakes: Hey, speaking of hats, what do you guys think about these uniforms, Wes?

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Wes Altice: Oh, garbage.

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Jesse Stakes: God. I love it.

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Wes Altice: I like them just because they're red, white, and blue, but god, I think it's time for.

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Jesse Stakes: It's Ralph Lauren, it's Polo, for God's sakes, they do classic stuff all the time. I was like, what is this?

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Wes Altice: That's what's driving me nuts about it, is like… like, the Ralph Lauren, like, if you go through their golf line, it's pretty tame, it's classic, it's clean, and…

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Wes Altice: you see this crap that comes out, you know, remember the old solo cups that were, like, the purple and…

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Wes Altice: you know, teal color, that's what one of the shirts looks like. I'm just…

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Wes Altice: It's bad. I think one of the practice rounds ones was, like, what, white with a blue, horizontal strum? Like, wear more of that. Like, the tournament round ones look.

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Wes Altice: Awful. Awful, awful, awful. I'm.

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Jesse Stakes: Padron, it gave me a huge respect for you and the job that you do selecting our outfits for Tinkel.

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Wes Altice: Hell yeah.

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Mike Padron: It's not that… it's not that hard.

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Mike Padron: Man, and all I gotta say is, more red, please.

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Mike Padron: I don't… I don't… and you know what I'm gonna say. I don't understand why they can't more red, more… wear more red.

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Mike Padron: Red pants. That's all I want. There you go. There you go.

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Jesse Stakes: You got it.

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Mike Padron: Wear red pants, people.

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Wes Altice: But I mean, look at our… our colors are easy. It's red, white.

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Wes Altice: I mean, it's so freaking easy, like, a white polo, navy pants.

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Mike Padron: What's funny is, they announced this, Jesse, you sent this to us Saturday, you sent that Instagram article.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Mike Padron: And I immediately tuned in to the Walker Cup, and the first thing I see is the Walker guys, Walker Cup guys.

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Jesse Stakes: Really?

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Mike Padron: pants.

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Jesse Stakes: Oh my god!

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Mike Padron: God damn it, they get it!

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Wes Altice: That's Peter Villar.

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Wes Altice: That's Peter Millar, though.

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Mike Padron: They are wearing Peter Millar, yeah, and I…

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Wes Altice: Both teams, both teams are Peter Millar.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, that's… I don't… I don't… I don't understand.

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Jesse Stakes: Well, and Keegan Bradley's a Jordan guy. I don't think I've ever seen Jordan poorly dressed.

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Mike Padron: Man, I think Jordan would be sweet.

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Wes Altice: Right?

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Mike Padron: Jordan would be… It'd be pretty good.

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Wes Altice: Do it right, too.

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Jesse Stakes: 100%.

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Wes Altice: You're doing right. He might do a little homage back to the Dream Team stuff somewhere, but…

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Mike Padron: He would do it, right? I think Polos had the last few, and they started out okay.

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Mike Padron: But the… they've gotten worse and worse.

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Wes Altice: It's time to get a new, apparel sponsor.

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Jesse Stakes: 100%. So, what do you guys think about the venue, as far as… I mean, Bethpage Black has been, you know, it's been a major venue several times. It's a public course, which I always, I always think that's so cool when they

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Jesse Stakes: go somewhere that you actually… you or I could go out there, we could go get a tea time, and we could go play the course. And it would… we don't have to know anybody, we can just go play the course. I always think that's cool, and I know it's a tough venue. Padron, what do you think about it?

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Mike Padron: I think it's cool, I mean, obviously, something you can play is awesome. Obviously, watching, like we said, Cypress is amazing, we're never…

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Mike Padron: I'm never gonna play it. Let's be real here. Hey, I…

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Jesse Stakes: I know you, you know a lot more people than I do, so I'm counting on you here, buddy.

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Mike Padron: We talked about with… we talked about that, the bourbon I had with the 2023 Ryder Cup. I played that chorus. That's really cool. I got to actually go to Marco Simone and play it. I can play.

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Mike Padron: I can play Le Golf National, we can go and actually play that course. We can play a lot of these courses, so obviously we can go play Bethpage Black. You know what I… I think when we pick a course like Bethpage Black.

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Mike Padron: And actually, I think the American courses, anyone you pick over here.

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Mike Padron: You think you're getting an advantage because we're over here, but…

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Mike Padron: the half… no, 90% of their team plays over here all the time anyways, so you don't really have that much advantage anymore like we used to.

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Mike Padron: And then you pick some of these, like, you think they're… were the bombers, and they're not, but not any… I think we've lost a lot of those advantages that we used to have anyways. So, I don't think a course that you look at, like a bomber's paradise, like Bethpage, I don't think we have that advantage like we used to have anymore. So I don't think Bethpage

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Mike Padron: when it was chosen as an advantage is not that anymore, but as far as the venue, it's gonna be perfect. I think the crowd is absolutely perfect for a Ryder Cup. I mean, it's gonna be absolutely insane there for us.

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Mike Padron: Right. And like you said, being able to play it, you know, at some point one day is gonna be pretty cool to say, look, this is where this happened, this is where this happened. That would be really cool for us to be able to do one day.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt. Wes, what do you think?

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Wes Altice: Yeah, I… I love the fact that you're… we're seeing a golf course that we can play, and it's a public… essentially a muni?

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Jesse Stakes: It is immune.

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Wes Altice: It's municipal, I mean, it's incredible. So, I really love the fact we're going there. I think the crowds are gonna play a big role in this thing. Hopefully.

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Wes Altice: the Americans don't get too jacked up and too excited, and it gets to them, but, the distance thing, I think, is a mute point. I think the setup will be more for

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Wes Altice: the approaches, because I think both teams are going to be super locked in off the tee. I don't… I mean, if you look across the board, I mean, there's not many guys that don't bomb it on these rosters. There's maybe one or two, but…

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Wes Altice: they're just so damn good, it doesn't matter. Right. So yeah, I… I… I love it. I wish we'd do more courses that we can get onto. I do like seeing the occasional just sprinkled in there, like.

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Wes Altice: you know, Riviera or something like that, something private, you know, you get to see, but nothing, like, to the point where

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Wes Altice: you know, we got Cypress Point, where good luck ever setting foot on that piece of property.

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Jesse Stakes: 100%, 100%. No, I like it. I like when, like I just said, I like it when it's public. One of the things that I think the biggest… I think the biggest advantage that you have when it's on your home… your home turf is that you get to set up the course, so…

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Jesse Stakes: I mean, as long as they play to our strengths, play to our team's strengths, then that's the value of having it on your home soil, is the fact that you get control of the setup more than anything. What about the teams, as far as… and I'll go to you first, Wes.

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Jesse Stakes: you know, do you feel like… first off, do you like the US team? Do you feel like, and for both sides, do you feel like they got the best guys that are in the United States and in Europe playing on each team?

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Wes Altice: Yeah, it… it really looks like it on both sides. I know, basically, Europe, it's the exact same team from 2 years ago. They just switched out… switched out a twin.

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Wes Altice: I was looking at, like, rankings, and then at Data Golf, how they do… they basically have, like, power rankings, so it's more accurate, and it includes the live guys, and…

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Wes Altice: You know, we've got 6 of the top 10 golfers on…

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Wes Altice: our team, Theodata Golf, and Europe has 4.

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Wes Altice: Looking at the guys that got left off for us.

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Wes Altice: you know, if I just went down the list, 10 through 13, you got Mavic, Neely, Keegan.

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Wes Altice: That's 10, 11, 12, and 13, but if you look at where their data golf is, they're ranked 23, 18, 33, and 84.

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Wes Altice: That, let's go through 9 through 12. They're ranked 7, 17, 14 and 10.

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Wes Altice: data golf ranking. So, I think we've got the hottest players outside of…

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Wes Altice: Colin Morikao, who's 26 on data, and Harris English.

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Wes Altice: we're looking pretty good on paper. I think we've got the right team. I think Keegan's stepping aside as much as I'd love to see a playing captain, I just think the captaincy is…

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Wes Altice: way more involved than we will ever know, and unless your top 6 guy says, we're not playing unless you're playing, Keegan, he did the right decision.

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Jesse Stakes: Right?

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Jesse Stakes: Mike, what do you think?

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Mike Padron: Yeah, I'd love to be a counter-argument here to Wes, but I'm not. You could argue with Keegan, and you could argue with…

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Mike Padron: If there was another captain, he would have been one of the picks. I mean, and actually, I think he would have been one of the picks.

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Wes Altice: Yeah, he would have. He was… he was number 11 on the Ryder Cup points, and 18… 18 in Dana Golf, so…

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Mike Padron: He would have been in, Burns probably would have been out, but…

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Wes Altice: Forms are Cam Young.

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Mike Padron: I do think, both teams

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Mike Padron: I don't think there was any snubs.

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Mike Padron: If you look at both teams, and you look… go down the list, nobody got really screwed this year.

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Mike Padron: Now…

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Mike Padron: I know you're looking at stats, and I think… I think on paper, and again, on paper, going into Italy, we were dominant on paper going into… and we got absolutely run out of town. It was actually…

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Mike Padron: It was actually…

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Mike Padron: I thought closer on the final score than it was… it felt during that tournament, during the Ryder Cup in Rome. On paper, this is the strongest Europe has ever been coming to the United States, I think.

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Wes Altice: This, this team…

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Mike Padron: just… I mean, McElroy, Fleetwood, McIntyre, Rose, Hatton, Hoygaard, Straca…

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Mike Padron: Oberg Hovland. I mean, if Straca shows up anywhere near where he was earlier this year, and Oberg shows up anywhere near what he was last year, or even earlier this year.

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Mike Padron: I mean, those are the weakest… I don't even know how I'm saying this. Strzok and Oberg are the weakest links on those teams right now.

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Mike Padron: I mean, that… We're, we're in some trouble on some of those, on some of those

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Mike Padron: Singles matches, and we're always strong on singles matches.

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Wes Altice: What's interesting there is… you go from… you go Hoiard, Hatton.

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Wes Altice: Lowry and Straca, if you look at their data golf, not a single one of them is in the

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Wes Altice: Top… within the top 30. They're 39, 38, 35, 34.

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Mike Padron: Strzok and Oberg, I mean, it just… it depends on who shows up, man.

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Wes Altice: get right, who the hell knows what's gonna happen?

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Mike Padron: And that's for us, that's for us. I'm concerned about Shaffle and Morikawa, and even Cantlay to a point, but those three guys, specifically for us, are completely different beasts when it comes to match play. It's…

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Mike Padron: it's a different world when they show up to a Ryder Cup, and I think when they show up to Bethpage, what you see on a stroke play week in and week out, especially at the end of this year, is a completely different golfer than you're going to see at Bethpage Black.

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Mike Padron: It… our… our… Like, even our picks, our Henley, our Spahn, these rookies that we don't see, even Griffin.

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Mike Padron: I have…

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Mike Padron: even though they are solid golfers, we have no idea what's gonna show up. We have no idea how they're gonna react.

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Mike Padron: None. None whatsoever. We know what we're gonna get on the other side. We have no idea what we're gonna get on those guys. It could be… this could be our best team ever, and we have…

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Mike Padron: No, no idea.

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Wes Altice: No idea.

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Mike Padron: No clue.

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Jesse Stakes: I… I… me, personally, I feel like we're underdogs. I feel like when… I mean, when I see… when I see the two rosters, when I look at what's out there for this year, I think the U.S. I think they're dogs. I mean, like, I… you know, I want to see us win this thing, but when I look at what… what Europe's throwing out there versus what we have, I feel like…

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Jesse Stakes: I don't know that if we… I don't know that we could have put a better team out there. I'm not saying that we didn't pick the best out there, but I think we have a lot of people that are green to the Ryder Cup. We have a lot of people that, you know, we don't… like you said, we don't know what we're gonna expect, and I know that that team from Europe, they're…

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Jesse Stakes: damn good, and they are… they're match play, you know, they're all… they're all damn good in match play, they all play well as a team. The thing that I found interesting, and this is, you know, because they were so adamant about leaving live golf people off

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Jesse Stakes: two years ago, when Luke Donnell was captain, is that the guy… two guys that were on that team ended up going to live, and they.

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Wes Altice: Yep.

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Jesse Stakes: Jon Rahm and, and,

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Jesse Stakes: Carol Hatton. So, I mean, and they haven't spoke about it. Like, at least in what I've seen, they haven't even addressed it, the fact that they had them, and I believe that, you know, Hatton qualified, but Jon Rahm was a pick, so…

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Jesse Stakes: They went outside of what they did last time, and they… but they didn't address it whatsoever.

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Wes Altice: And what's interesting, like, so Rom, data golf-wise, he's number 4 player in the world.

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Wes Altice: OWGR, he's 80. You're telling me John Rome is the…

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Mike Padron: idiot.

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Wes Altice: player… Hell no. And Ryder Cup points-wise, he was 24.

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Jesse Stakes: So, you're looking at, like.

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Wes Altice: a stud, that if we just went by the numbers and… because he played on Liv.

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Wes Altice: that he would not bet on this team, which is…

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Jesse Stakes: Just because they don't count their events. He won the Live Golf League. His team won the Live Golf League. He's still one of the absolute top 5 players in the world, but because they don't get World Golf points, he's just… he's the 80th… that's where the World Golf rankings mean nothing to me at that point.

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Wes Altice: That's why… that's why I went to the data golf stuff.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Wes Altice: puts them in current form. I don't know exactly their formula, but I'm sure it's… it's gotta be pretty damn close, because…

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Wes Altice: It just is what it is, and…

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Wes Altice: Going back to… I mean, Europe has one rookie.

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Wes Altice: Yeah. One rookie this year. We've got four, one, two… Yeah, we've got four.

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Mike Padron: Same name, same face. But…

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Wes Altice: Nope.

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Mike Padron: But here's the thing at Hoygaard, he was there last year, or 2 years ago, he rode around, he was in the team room, he rode around, he was almost basically like a vice captain. He was there with his brother the entire time, so…

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Mike Padron: He obviously hasn't been on foreign soil for one of these, but he knows the entire structure, he knows the whole team.

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Mike Padron: he… yes, he's a rookie, but he knows the whole process. He was… I don't… which is crazy that he was there with his brother the whole time last year. So, yeah, he's technically a rookie, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. Our four rookies are… could be really good, it could be just kind of newfound luck, we never know.

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Mike Padron: So, we are favored by Vegas. I agree with you, Jesse. I think we're underdogs. Vegas has a slight favorite, minus 145, Europe plus 155, so that's close, but…

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Mike Padron: You know, you were talking about Live Golf. The Shambo…

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Mike Padron: Qualified on points within 8 events.

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Wes Altice: and so…

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Mike Padron: It's so impressive, man.

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Jesse Stakes: And then you got… and then you got people like Brandel Chambly acting like he's a problem for the team, which…

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Jesse Stakes: Blows my mind.

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Mike Padron: Honestly, I would put him and Cam Young out first.

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Mike Padron: on foursomes.

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Mike Padron: very first drive, I want the Chambler cameo.

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Jesse Stakes: On the first.

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Mike Padron: 50 bucks. Well, they play.

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Wes Altice: involved, so that.

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Mike Padron: They're gonna have to… I mean, nobody plays a ball like those two play. No. And I believe that first tee may be even drivable. So, I want…

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Wes Altice: If they put it in the right spot, it can… yeah, it's drivable.

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Mike Padron: I want Bryson with, like he did in Bay Hill, and just that point where he goes like that.

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Wes Altice: If he does that, puts it on the green.

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Wes Altice: It's… it's game over. That's what he did.

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Mike Padron: That's what he did at, remember when he was paired up with, I think it was Scheffler, Whistling Straits, and he cut the corner on that one hole, and it was just demoralizing, I mean, and just, it was…

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Mike Padron: Game on from there. So, that's what I would do, that might be my first pairing of Friday morning.

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Jesse Stakes: Alright, so that brings us down to it. I'll start with you, Wes. Who you got for the… who do you have winning the Ryder Cup?

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Wes Altice: Team USA. I just like him at Bethpage. I do… as strong as Europe looks, I think there's something…

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Wes Altice: Cool going on behind closed doors, especially Keegan basically saying he knew for a while he wasn't gonna play.

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Wes Altice: It seems like everyone was on that page, because no one let the cat out of the bag on that one, so I think there's probably the more cohesive, like, team U.S. team we've probably seen in a while. I think everyone's on the same page.

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Wes Altice: something I like, I think they're getting more into analytics this year.

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Wes Altice: I like them. Let's go, Team USA.

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Jesse Stakes: Padrone?

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Mike Padron: I'm not going against USA.

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Mike Padron: This is gonna be… but I will say.

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Mike Padron: I… and actually, not… I would love, obviously, just some absolute demolishing, like we did at, Whistling Straits.

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Mike Padron: But… I'm actually hoping for a… back 9…

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Mike Padron: I mean, coming down to the last two groups, just like a final putt kind of thing, man, and just… it's gonna… I think it's gonna be a…

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Mike Padron: Two-point victory. One and a half.

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Mike Padron: by USA at the very end.

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Mike Padron: And I got a feeling it's gonna be one of the rookies that they throw out and kind of hide at the end of the roster. At the very end, one of these rookies is gonna have a clinching point at the very end.

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Jesse Stakes: Very cool. Alright, I'm gonna have to be the center in the group, because we need one, so even if I don't agree with myself, I'm going with Europe here, because…

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Jesse Stakes: I mean, when I look at it, like, number one, I mean, McElroy is a match play monster. I mean, you've got… you've got Justin… Justin Rose, who just steps up. I mean, every time… I mean, he… he loses 10 years off of his… off of his real age when he goes out there and plays in match play.

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Jesse Stakes: Tommy Fleetwood's been playing amazing. He's been lights out, like, he finally broke through and won an event. Terrell Hatton is… I love Tommy. Terrell Hatton's one of the biggest competitors that you see out there. I mean, he might give himself a black eye in the process, but he wants to win every time he's out there. I mean, Shane Lowry, to me, is one of the best golfers on the planet, and I mean, he's…

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Jesse Stakes: He's just… I mean, he's someone, he's hard not to root for. John Rahm, to me, like I said, he's one of the top 5 golfers in the world. I don't think anybody wants him putting for a win if they're playing in a match with… playing in a match against him.

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Jesse Stakes: I mean, Matt Fitzpatrick, Ludwig Aberg, Victor Hovland, I mean, I think you only like Step Straca because you guys got the same haircut, Mike, but I mean, I'll leave it there.

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Jesse Stakes: But, I mean, I just feel like that they are stacked, I feel like they are impressive, and I think it's gonna take an enormous effort from everybody on the United States roster to beat them. I think Europe wins, I'm rooting for my boys in the USA, but I think it's gonna be a really tough mountain to climb, and you said it earlier in this, Mike.

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Jesse Stakes: this isn't a course that none of… every one of them have played it. This is not… this is not something to where they're coming in as this is an unknown. They know what it is, they know what to expect, I'm going with Europe.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, Rory tried to say that excuse the other day, and like, it's so hard to play on foreign soil, and winning away Ryder Cup, especially on a course, like, they have an advantage of… and like, come on. You've played that just as much as anybody else. Maybe Cam Young has played it more than anybody, but that's it.

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Wes Altice: True.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt.

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Wes Altice: I don't think the course itself is going to be the differentiator. I think it's… I think it's coming down to who plays the best.

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Jesse Stakes: 100%.

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Wes Altice: Course isn't gonna… course isn't gonna dictate.

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Jesse Stakes: Yep. And I think… I just think that it's a… I just think it's a tough mountain to climb this year. We'll see. I mean, I hope the boys in the U.S. win it, but I just think it's gonna be too tough to overcome.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, it's gonna be a tough one. This just comes down to the end. And my prediction is JJ Spahn is gonna be that rookie.

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Jesse Stakes: I like it. I like it.

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Mike Padron: But let's get specific.

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Jesse Stakes: He's been playing… he's been playing fantastic. I mean, he won the players, and he won the US Open, so…

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Mike Padron: Might as well be a lab rat.

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Jesse Stakes: That's right.

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Wes Altice: as well.

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Jesse Stakes: They went to a play… he went to… he lost to Rory at the players.

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Jesse Stakes: We'll edit that out.

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Mike Padron: He exacts revenge.

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Mike Padron: He gets his revenge. Should I go that specific?

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Wes Altice: God! JJ and Rory, for the final…

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Mike Padron: No, because…

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Wes Altice: because I said he…

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Mike Padron: I said he's gonna go late, but they'll top-load Rory. Rory will go out early.

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Wes Altice: All depends on what the scores are.

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Wes Altice: All depends.

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Jesse Stakes: Yep.

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Mike Padron: Alright, still, I'm sticking with Spawn.

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Jesse Stakes: On that note, boys, I hope you enjoy it. It's been fun.

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Mike Padron: Bye.