The YouTube Effect - Professional Golf Will Never be the Same

The boys from Tin Cup Club stop in to discuss Youtube is playing a crucial role in reshaping the financial landscape of golf and providing new opportunities for revenue generation and audience engagement.  

Did you know the average age of viewers for the PGA Tour is around 64 years old?  I did not before doing my research.   LIV Golf is doing a better job attracting viewers 18-34.  71% of people aged 18-34 have shown interest in watching LIV Golf Events.  This is in large part because of their willingness to embrace YouTube and Social Media platforms.  

Rick Shiels, Good Good, Paige Spiranic, Increased Sponsorship and Advertising Revenue: Golf influencers on YouTube have attracted large followings, making them attractive to sponsors. This has led to increased sponsorship deals and advertising revenue for both the influencers and the platforms

1.  Broader Audience Reach: YouTube has made golf more accessible and relatable, attracting a new generation of players and fans. This broader audience has opened up new revenue streams through merchandise sales, online coaching, and more

2.  Enhanced Engagement: The interactive nature of YouTube allows for direct engagement with fans, fostering a deeper connection between golfers and their audience. This engagement can translate into higher viewership numbers and increased monetization opportunities.

3.  Professional Golfers' Personal Brands: Many professional golfers, such as Bryson DeChambeau, have leveraged YouTube to share insights into their training routines and personal lives, further monetizing their personal brands.
Instructional Videos: Many professional golfers and coaches share tips and techniques to help improve your game. For example, Rick Shiels' channel offers beginner golf basics and tips for improving your swing

Golf Challenges: Fun and sometimes quirky challenges, such as hitting a hole-in-one for a prize or competing in knockout matches, are popular among golfers

Tournament Highlights: Channels like Golf Channel provide highlights from major tournaments, including the LPGA Tour and other professional events.Golf Vlogs: Some golfers share their personal experiences, practice routines, and travel adventures related to golf.

The highest paid golfer on YouTube is Paige Spiranac. She has leveraged her social media presence to build a highly lucrative career, earning an estimated $5 million+ annually from sponsorships, subscriptions, and media appearances.

The most watched YouTube golfer is Rick Shiels. His channel, Rick Shiels Golf, has amassed almost three million subscribers and features a wide range of content, including instructional videos, club reviews, and challenges with professional golfers1. Rick's engaging and approachable style has made him a favorite among golf enthusiasts.  

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Jesse Stakes: Hey, everybody! Welcome to the show. I am very happy to have the 10 club blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Let's try this again. Hey, everybody! Welcome to the show. I am very happy to have the Tin Cup Club back on the show to talk about some golf.

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Jesse Stakes: Mike West. Thanks for joining me.

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Wes Altice Golf: Thanks for having us again. Jesse.

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Jesse Stakes: All right, guys. So what we were, we were kind of talking about this just in a text message. And I thought it was. I was like this would be a fantastic podcast. To talk about things we were talking about Youtube's effect on professional golf. And you know, from from my perspective. I feel like.

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Jesse Stakes: so Youtube is right now, I feel like it's playing an incredibly crucial role in reshaping the financial landscape of golf. But I also think it's providing a tremendous amount of new opportunities for income and revenue generation. And it's also creating this new like, you know, new platform, Youtube's been around for a long time, but it's creating a whole nother opportunity for audience engagement. What do you guys think.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, I agree, I think we're starting to see, you know, the way the consumer actually consumes content. No one wants to sit around a TV and watch 4 h of pointless golf sometimes especially with the many commercials that you encounter during a broadcast. It really turns off

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Wes Altice Golf: the people, and you got a different generation that digests media completely different than how we used to.

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Jesse Stakes: 100%.

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Mike Padron: Yeah.

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Jesse Stakes: So think it's go ahead, Mike.

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Mike Padron: I think it's kind of turned into what almost like the movie theaters is turning. People now are just you have it on demand, just, you know, for movies, you log on to Netflix and watch whatever you want. This is the same thing like man. I really want to watch golf today. Well, you know, let's go to Youtube see what's going on. I mean, it's a lot of the same instant gratification that you get from Netflix or any of these other platforms

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Mike Padron: except it's just golf based.

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Jesse Stakes: Way society is going.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, absolutely.

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Jesse Stakes: All right before we dive into this. Everybody's got a glass in their hand. Cheers to the cheers to this next episode we're about to do.

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Jesse Stakes: Yes, sir, cheers, gentlemen!

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Jesse Stakes: What you drinking, Mike?

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Mike Padron: I've got Bower Hill single barrel from Kentucky.

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Mike Padron: Not much left of it, apparently.

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Jesse Stakes: It's a long day, huh?

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Mike Padron: Really good single barrel. I forget what the what the price was, but it's a it's so smooth, it's very good. And one of them every once in a while. So.

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Jesse Stakes: That up this morning.

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Mike Padron: An hour ago.

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Jesse Stakes: That's how smooth it is, Wes. What you drinking.

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Wes Altice Golf: I got a little angels envy the Bourbon barrel select. I actually got this. We did a a Bourbon and Burgers tasting, and angels. Envy was there over at ember and iron, so they gave us some sample bottles of that, and this is my 1st time cracking it open, and I like it. It's good.

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Jesse Stakes: Fantastic shout out to amber and iron, they are a fantastic restaurant in.

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Mike Padron: Absolutely.

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Jesse Stakes: St. Johns, Florida.

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Jesse Stakes: All right. I'm drinking. So my wife had bought me this tour of the world whiskey tasting, and it's pretty cool. It's you know. There's a lot of different like from all over the world, all over the globe, different whiskeys. And so the one I'm drinking tonight. It's actually a Swedish whiskey. It's called Macmira Svensk Eck.

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Jesse Stakes: that you know. Don't make me say it more than once.

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Mike Padron: Right, so drink the bottle, and then say that.

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Wes Altice Golf: I think he did.

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Jesse Stakes: Not too bad. I'm not usually a Bourbon guy, I usually like to, you know. Kind of stay in Kentucky, maybe go to Tennessee a little bit with my whiskey, but I will take it. It's not that bad I enjoy. I'm enjoying this class so.

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Mike Padron: Cheers, guys.

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Jesse Stakes: Cheers.

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Wes Altice Golf: Cheers.

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Jesse Stakes: Does it surprise you guys? I know we were talking a little bit off, you know, before we started recording. But the average age of a viewer of PGA tour. Golf in today's world is 64 years old

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Jesse Stakes: that floored me. I don't know about you guys.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, that that one that was a little shock to the system. I'm not gonna lie. I thought that was gonna get

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Wes Altice Golf: pulled down a little bit more. But I guess, going back to my previous comments. You know.

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Wes Altice Golf: generation now how they're consuming

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Wes Altice Golf: their content. It now. It doesn't surprise me, but when you 1st told me that I was like, Oh, God, that's that's a problem. That's a problem. That's a big problem.

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Jesse Stakes: But I mean.

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Mike Padron: Also it sort of makes sense. They most of that age group. And hopefully, when I'm 64, it'll be the same. I have time.

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Jesse Stakes: Go ahead!

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Mike Padron: There. I can sit there for 4 days and watch the tournament, and I'm not. Nobody's bugging me about it. I don't gotta go

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Mike Padron: my kids at school. I don't have to go here, take soccer practice none of that. So you have the time to do it. And just make it makes kind of makes sense. It was shocking when when you, when we 1st said that, I'm like Man 64 is crazy, but it it totally starts making sense as you think about it. But yeah, man, that's a that's an issue. That's a huge issue.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt.

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Mike Padron: Moving forward for the, for the PGA, so.

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Jesse Stakes: I thought it was interesting, because live golf, you know, not to always draw contrast between the 2 of them. But live golf right now they're attracting viewers that are 18 to 34, 71% of the people that have showed interest in live golf are in that age bracket. And I really, I think that a lot of it is because of how they originally delivered their content. They they did it through an app rather than going on television and the PGA tour and other people gave them a lot of shit for it, like they were like, Oh, they don't have a TV contract.

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Jesse Stakes: But they were putting their stuff on Youtube. They were using an application. And it seems like it's paying off for them in the long run. I don't. I don't know that for sure, but it seems like it is.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, it. It'd be interesting to see how you could, you know. See how it's actually benefiting them. I don't know what metric you would use with this day and age. I'm not that familiar with it.

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Wes Altice Golf: but it it does make sense it. It led them to that, or they get a deal with Fox. Now, I believe.

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Jesse Stakes: Fox. Yeah. Fox and fox sports.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, so that it's gonna be interesting to see how that that contract works out. And if it still stays viable through their app and things like that. So I

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Wes Altice Golf: probably in looking back, it was the smart move and eventually got on the contract with a big network.

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Wes Altice Golf: I just wonder if

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Wes Altice Golf: if there's going to be that heavy commercial load that will end up bringing them down just like it does to the Pj tour with their media deal.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Mike Padron: Yeah. And I think also, kind of today's news with Monaghan tiger and Adam Scott meeting with

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Mike Padron: with Trump. I think that that's gonna change some things in the landscape going forward.

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Mike Padron: with live and with PGA. All that stuff I'm not sure exactly. I know Trump historically, has been kind of a fan of it, of of live for some reason. But he also yeah. He also.

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Wes Altice Golf: We made a lot of.

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Mike Padron: Wants to get together. Yeah, exactly. Obviously, it helps that his courses are being used.

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Mike Padron: If he's involved in the negotiations. I guarantee there's gonna be a major, one of the trump courses.

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Wes Altice Golf: Well, that was.

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Mike Padron: In the New.

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Wes Altice Golf: That was the big thing the majors took

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Wes Altice Golf: the courses away from for majors and and Turnberry Doral, they're like, no, we're not doing any more Pj. Tour events there. So it is interesting to see how you know getting President Trump now involved, which I'm not in the least bit surprised of. I knew that was gonna I just felt that was gonna happen sooner or later. Didn't know it was being this quick. I mean, he's getting some shit done. But yeah, I mean, it's it is.

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Mike Padron: Mess around right now.

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Wes Altice Golf: No, I'm not surprised. And hopefully hopefully we bring

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Wes Altice Golf: the game back together where we're seeing all the best players in the world actually competing with each other, week in, week out. Not just majors. I I get it. Majors are always awesome, but now that we get to see it week to week. And let's see how good Scotty Scheffler is. Let's see how good Rory is when you get.

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Wes Altice Golf: you know Bryson and John Rahm and all these guys actually competing on a regular basis against each other. I think you'll I think we're gonna see some better golf.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, Usga going, you know. Obviously, it's off topic from the social media stuff. But Usga just announced kind of a similar thing where they're they're gonna start awarding, I guess, points in a way to top 10.

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Wes Altice Golf: For live golfers to get in. Now, yeah.

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Mike Padron: Yeah. So now, I think that's just gonna be a snowball effect, obviously moving forward. And again, like you mentioned, you said it perfectly. Everybody just wants to see the best of the best together, and that that could go back to also why their ratings are down. The PGA.

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Mike Padron: I mean, you've lost a lot of fans. And a lot of these guys have gone to live or gone watching Tgo watching the Youtube guys and have, just, you know, veered in another way where you know I'm looking at a leaderboard right now. You got Taylor Moore, Andrew Putnam. Nikolai Hoygard. I mean, it's like

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Mike Padron: obviously Justin Thomas is up there in Windham Park, but it's like half these guys

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Mike Padron: like what. And they're great golfers. But it's like, I want to see the ROM. And like you, said the Dechambeau Djs, all these guys, you know together, man, it's just

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Mike Padron: I think I think it's gonna get there. Eventually it might take a little bit, but I think it's all gonna come together.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah.

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Jesse Stakes: But I think that's the beauty of what Youtube has shown to offer. And I think that that's where I think some of the professional golfers are figuring that out, whereas a lot of these Youtube golf celebrity types, or however, whatever you want to title them, Youtube golfers, whatever it is, they figured it out 5 years ago, some of them 10 plus years ago.

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Jesse Stakes: But but what you know, the Phil Mickelson's of the world, the Bryson Dechambeau's, and and you know many others are starting to figure out. You know I can put my face out there. People can see who I am, and I can. I can control the message. I don't have to, you know. I don't have to rely on commentators. I don't have to rely on sponsors. I don't have to rely on the PGA tour, nor live golf to have people know who I am, and I think that, like I was telling you this, Mike, just in a different conversation I saw so Brooks Koepka.

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Jesse Stakes: he's playing in a match with Rick Shields, and in

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Jesse Stakes: 3 holes of golf. In less than 30 min. I think I heard more information and more of real talk from Brooks Koepka than I've heard in the last

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Jesse Stakes: 5, 10 years from that guy, as far as understanding who he is. What makes him tick. What makes him happy? I thought it was really cool, because it was like, Wow, I'm like, that's who he is.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, I I mean, it goes back to it like you were saying like, that's the most you get out getting out of Brooks, since honestly, when he did the 1st season, a full swing.

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Jesse Stakes: There you go!

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Wes Altice Golf: But but he was struggling then, so it was kind of like

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Wes Altice Golf: that was like a downward spiral, brooks, in a way. And you know. I think he got a lot of negative heat from a little bit. He's like, Oh, you know, he was so good, and he said he never practiced, which we all know. That's bullshit, like he was practicing. Let's

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Wes Altice Golf: whatever I know. I know he was the the alpha male thing, but it you were practicing Bro, anyway. But you get to see him with Rick. Shields is like, all right. He's definitely in a happier place. He he's, you know. He's a dude, like most of these guys, are just dudes and.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Wes Altice Golf: I think the more you see them like I think that's why, you know, like a Max Homa. I love Max because he's just a dude like he's a normal guy and just has a family, talks a little shit, and

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Wes Altice Golf: he's just good. And when he was on like Bob does sports and the 4 play stuff, and he plays amazing golf, and against 3 or 4 other guys, and he can wax them. It's like, Oh, God!

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Wes Altice Golf: This dude is legit. And I think hopefully, we start seeing more of that. And I

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Wes Altice Golf: to get these players out there and their brand. They're they're more brand guys. Now.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Mike Padron: I think for me, too, I mean the sham of obviously Brooks and Bryson is always a thing coming together. But Bryson also had kind of a resurgence, and I've always liked him. I actually have a signed ball by him because he hit my wife's leg on the far 5 16

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Mike Padron: at Sawgrass. So I kind of been a fan since then. But

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Mike Padron: You never really knew him. You always knew he was quirky. He was kind of a little different than everybody else. He was just obviously he got to where he was. Just strength training so hard, and you never really knew him. And as soon as he started getting into like social media and all these things, it was like, man. This guy's got an awesome personality. And yeah, he still is a little quirky, but

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Mike Padron: it's kind of it kind of works. And I think he's grown his brand so much just by getting online and posting his, you know. What was it breaking? Breaking 60? Is that what he was doing.

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Jesse Stakes: 50, drinking.

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Wes Altice Golf: Breaking 50 freaking fifties.

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Mike Padron: I mean he had. He had, we said earlier. President Trump was on there. He had, I mean everybody. Who's who is that? Tony? Roma wearing basketball shorts out there.

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Mike Padron: And it was just it was the coolest thing to watch. And it was again. It was small snapshots. Quick Youtube video, I mean a quick, not a 5 min one, but where you can watch an entire match and they're doing highlights. They're talking. Their personalities are there, and I think I mean back in 2020, I think what started kind of a little bit of that, even though it was on TV was

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Mike Padron: when they did the match during covid at Seminole. And that's when you kind of started seeing this could be big. I mean, you've got these guys talking. They have your pieces in. You're chatting the whole time. They're talking crap to each other. They're betting on the holes.

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Mike Padron: The match kind of started a lot of that, too, even though that was TV and not online. But I think it's just kind of grown from there. And it's gotten just enormous. And it's I mean I love it any bit of golf I could watch. I'm watching so.

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Jesse Stakes: I know you kind of said it before, Mike, that you that you really have, you know, kind of a you'll watch whatever it is, and like you just said it then, too. But it's like like Wes. Do you have anything like as your viewership style followed any kind of one format or do you? Are you kind of an omnivore when it comes to golf?

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Wes Altice Golf: No, I I would say. Most of my consumption of golf is now Youtube.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah, yeah.

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Wes Altice Golf: I'll be honest like I mean hell that I'm not afraid of it, like my routine in the morning is I? Get up, get a cup of coffee. Go up to my man Cave and throw on Youtube and see if you know, foreplay. Launch something, or you know Grant or Bob does sports good, good, whatever. And that's how I kind of start my morning. Sometimes. It's usually a quick hit, 45 min.

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Wes Altice Golf: and you're ready to go, and you kind of got your you got your you know, fix of golf, because we're all kind of golf, Sickos, and

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Wes Altice Golf: that's just it's my way. It's the other way of, you know.

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Wes Altice Golf: Back in the day you'd get your coffee and read paper and newspaper. Now it's like, All right, jump on 45 min, and then I'm off and starting my day. So it it's definitely changed. I like

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Wes Altice Golf: kind of how live

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Wes Altice Golf: they were doing it and bringing in the you know preview of the rounds. That's a 20 min hit, you know. It's like a quick boom. This is what happened. Go! We're starting to see the Pj tour. Do that a little bit. Now

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Wes Altice Golf: I think that's.

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Jesse Stakes: Fantastic.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, and they had to. Otherwise they were dead in the water. But

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Wes Altice Golf: I really enjoy just watching and bored, you know. I'll scroll

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Wes Altice Golf: go through Tiktok, too, and you know, grants on there, or whatever. And they're just doing little, you know. Quick. 9 holes. It's a 5 min video, and they show every single shot like it's.

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Wes Altice Golf: It's really cool, how things are changing. And it's more digestible.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt

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Jesse Stakes: I feel like from a like. For myself. Personally, I really, I've kind of gravitated towards the Youtube stuff. And it really like what really kind of pushed me there, in the 1st place, was the

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Jesse Stakes: the snapshots of it. Like you said those those 15 to 25 min. Here's every shot that happened in the round at the live event for the day. They put them out in the evening after the after the round, and I thought, it's fantastic, because I felt like I didn't miss anything.

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Jesse Stakes: The other thing was actually from the PGA tour, and it may not even have been the PGA tour. But for the majors, they would say every shot like. So when we went to Kiowa Island with like the 1st like when we did the Tin Cup trip to Kiowa Island. One of the things that I watched before we went is that every shot that Phil Mickelson hit in his final round at Kiowa.

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Jesse Stakes: and it was like those things I thought they were awesome because I was like, that's so cool. I get to watch Phil Mickelson's whole round of golf.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah.

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Jesse Stakes: In less than 30 min, and it was like I felt like I consumed the golf that I wanted to watch without having to, you know, sit through the stuff that I don't necessarily care if I watch or don't watch when it comes to players, that I may not have any kind of a vested interest in watching.

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Wes Altice Golf: great, great, great example of being able to watch something quick. And you we got lucky enough to experience that course and how difficult it was. But for you know, guys like Bill to do that, and you can actually go out and play it. And because you spent 30 min on Youtube to see what he was doing.

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Mike Padron: No, I mean I was. I was just going back to like you mentioned good good earlier. I ironically. After you set this up. I watched the the thing they were doing in Arizona.

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Mike Padron: and to me I was looking. I just started looking up their story, and they started in 2020,

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Mike Padron: with nothing. Just guys out there playing golf, and now they they're on. They were on the golf channel with their own tournament, and it was an absolute.

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Mike Padron: It was like what is happening.

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Mike Padron: the whole thing. I mean the whole thing I'm having. I'm just having anxiety, watching them like, who's hitting? Who's on whose team it was? Just it was crazy. But to have those guys now be at the level they're at out there just, and the whole crowd now. It wasn't a huge crowd, but everybody following them like you mentioned. I mean, they're all they had to all be under 30, I mean, I'm sure there's no, but it was just. It's a whole different atmosphere under the lights people shouting in the back swings and doing whatever. And

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Mike Padron: it doesn't matter. I mean, it's just such a different way to

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Mike Padron: consumed the sport, and it was like to me the most shocking part is when I heard about this thing, I'm like, all right, which order what Youtube link or live I needed. And I go on TV. And I'm like, it's on the golf channel. This doesn't make any sense. So it was you know, just those guys that started with. I mean, I'm pretty sure their start was that pulling one on the Par. 4 where one hit, the one hit the flag and the other one made it. It was like they kind of blew it from there, but.

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Wes Altice Golf: No.

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Mike Padron: It was just it's

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Mike Padron: it's cool that it's turned into that.

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Jesse Stakes: I don't know why. Every time I hear good good, I always think of dude perfect like, for whatever reason I just kind of like in the 2 they may have, they have nothing to do with each other. But for whatever reason I think of both.

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Mike Padron: But yeah, I mean, they kind of came up. I mean, I would do perfect without a little bit for them. But it's the same kind of thing. Just just a group of guys group of buddies that.

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Mike Padron: You know, went out and started doing stuff and something caught on. And

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Jesse Stakes: Didn't grant Horvath come out of that group? Wasn't he? Part of it?

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Jesse Stakes: Good. Good. Yeah. Yeah.

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Mike Padron: And he's I mean he's a stick he can play.

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Wes Altice Golf: He's a stick, and he he might be the dude right now.

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Wes Altice Golf: I mean, you gotta figure he started this 2 by 2 or 2, 2 v. 2. Series, with Phil Mickelson.

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Wes Altice Golf: Like how freaking cool is that! And you all know, my, you know fandom for Phil Mickelson.

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Jesse Stakes: Huge huge fan.

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Wes Altice Golf: Huge, big, huge, big, huge, big, huge, but it.

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Wes Altice Golf: Ha, ha! Ha!

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Wes Altice Golf: But it it was cool to see, you know it's actually entertaining, you know, like I said grants a stick bills, a, you know, hall of Famer. And

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Wes Altice Golf: ha! Watching those 2 guys interact. I mean, Grant's what in his twenties and Phil's, you know, in his low fifties.

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Wes Altice Golf: But golf is the common ground form, and they can talk golf, and you got the elite of the elite with the I'll say, kind of an elite amateur right with Grant

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Wes Altice Golf: and the way they kind of talk about golf, and you can even see some things that Phil says to grant that blows Grant's mind. He's like I would never think of that. So it's cool to see it all coming together. And how good the pros really are.

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Jesse Stakes: I thought it was really interesting. One of the questions that kind of stuck with me in some of the videos that I've watched with Grant. Horvath is when they've asked him. Have you ever tried to be a playing professional? And he's like, I don't want to be, and I and it's almost eye opening to me because it's like

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Jesse Stakes: to me growing up playing sports and being an athlete like you're you have this mentality of like, hey? The next step, the next step. But the next step is always like, or that ultimate step is professional sports. And it's like for these guys. Now, there's like this offshoot. There's this. There's another alternative to where you can still make good money.

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Jesse Stakes: Incredible money, let me say, playing the sport that you love. But you don't necessarily have to be the best at it. You don't necessarily have to, you know, compete at the highest level. They're finding a way to professionalize the game without being the best of the best.

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Mike Padron: Look at you know my son's a kicker. He grew up his last 4 or 5 years. Been kicker and in college kicking now. And you look at a guy like on Youtube a dude called destroying.

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Mike Padron: And he's an admin just pure athlete. I mean, he can do anything, but he can kick. What he'll do is he'll kick 60 yards one way, turn around, kick back the other way into the wind, and just crushing the ball. He'll he'll take on top prospects in the in the country and be like, Hey, we'll just do a field goal competition, and he's just booming them, and everybody's like, why doesn't he go? Pro? Why doesn't he? Nobody picks him up. Nobody picks him up.

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Mike Padron: I mean to me. It's like, why, why would you? You've got.

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Mike Padron: All the followers. You got the money. You create your own schedule, you can do what you want, and you're still having fun doing it. I mean the Grants kind of the same thing. Why, why drag, you know, playing against the best and the best

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Mike Padron: to try to make a cut or do this and do that and all that pressure when right now he has none of that. He's just having fun playing golf and making a hell of a lot of money doing it. It's just again. That's a word. Youtube just kind of changed everything. I mean, not only in golf, but in multiple sports. It's crazy.

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Jesse Stakes: I feel like it's almost like another form of sports entertainment. And when I'm and you know, if you're a wrestling fan out there, if you're listening to this, I mean, that's kind of where I'm going with it is like you could have a guy like a hulk hogan or a stone cold. Steve Austin, or anybody who's been at the top of wrestling.

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Jesse Stakes: that they're not a fighter. They're not a they're not necessarily someone who like. If they got into a real fight they'd be exposed. They would actually be, you know, they would look terrible if they actually went out there and competed at fighting, but they're there. It's a performance art, almost. But it's entertaining. It's something that

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Jesse Stakes: you get as many eyeballs, if not more eyeballs watching, you know, a performance art of fighting versus somebody who is actually fighting, and they don't have to take the pounding and the beating that somebody would in an actual fight, and they can do it 5 nights a week, or whatever it is. So it's like, I feel like Youtube golf is a little bit like that, in a sense to where these guys have a great personality.

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Jesse Stakes: They are adequate. I mean, they're they. They can hit the shots. They're good. But but

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Jesse Stakes: I doubt that we're ever going to really see them go out there and compete, even if they had the opportunity. I mean, I think Reek Shields did that one time, and I think he shot like 85, and 80. Something in the in the rounds that he shot. He'll probably never do it again, because it makes him look bad to actually expose himself.

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Mike Padron: I mean Wesley. Brian is probably the only one right. Wes.

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Wes Altice Golf: He's the yeah. He's a legit one, that's, you know. I guess a a Youtube influencer now. But he's the

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Wes Altice Golf: he's the real PGA tour player, and you know he's not a top PGA tour player, but he's still going against all these Youtube guys. He

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Wes Altice Golf: pretty much dominates every time he goes up against him like he'll you know he might have a bad round. Someone has their phenomenal round, and he might get clipped, but for the most part like he still just lights everyone up. And I think that just shows you

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Wes Altice Golf: how freaking good these guys are that are at at the professional level. And you know your grants and your other guys see this? And they're like, Yeah, I'm good. I'm a plus 4 or 5, but I'm not a plus 8 or 9, and that's a massive, massive gap.

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Jesse Stakes: And under the gun like actually doing it in.

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Wes Altice Golf: True.

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Jesse Stakes: Competitive like on a Sunday like with with, you know.

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Wes Altice Golf: $1520,000,000 at stake. I don't think that they're going to be the same, plus 4 plus 5 that they are in a Sunday around with their buddies?

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Wes Altice Golf: No, because they they're making their money. The influencers on the views.

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Wes Altice Golf: Right?

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Wes Altice Golf: You're if you make the cut. You're not getting viewership dollars because you made the cut on the Pj tour. So for them, it's like, Hey, how entertaining can I make my video with the right people. That's how I make my money.

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Wes Altice Golf: It's a little bit easier, because if you play like shit, it doesn't matter, because people are going to watch it anyway, because people like to see people fail sometimes, and they also like to see like a guy like Grant go head to head with Jon Rahm getting 5 shots, and it's competitive, and John Rahn still will clip them. It's like what.

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Jesse Stakes: Speaking of that, who is the highest paid Youtube golfer out there.

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Mike Padron: Earlier, historically.

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Jesse Stakes: So Paige Speranik is actually the highest paid person on Youtube. That is a golfer. She makes over 5 million dollars a year right now.

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Mike Padron: Oh, my God!

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Jesse Stakes: Her Youtube content.

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Mike Padron: I think she brings in a different audience, too, though.

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Mike Padron: I think she goes into different sports and different genres and different things. Rather than just golf. But I mean she she can swing, too, though I mean she's.

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Wes Altice Golf: She's a player.

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Mike Padron: He's pretty damn good. I mean, there's. And actually, that's another point, too. Is that all the the female golfers that have come out and they're actually are still in Youtube that are just outstanding. What's the one of here in Florida? Gabby, gabby golf? I think it is.

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Wes Altice Golf: Oh, gabby golf girl, yeah.

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Mike Padron: And again, like you think about, I think she's actually one of the ones that's just trying to make a decision. I saw something the other day where she's trying to make a decision on what to go next, whether she wants to try to pursue, you know, going off into the tour or college, or staying the way she is in in Youtube. But

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Mike Padron: I mean, it's just it's crazy to think about you said that earlier, Jesse, that's your option. You're like, I'll just stay here and I'll go play, make some videos, and I'll I'll be fine like that's just it's baffling to me that that's where we're at. But it's awesome, too, because

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Mike Padron: they're entertaining all of us, you know.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, I I think to go with Gabby golf girling. If she's deciding to do college or stay Youtube, you can't tell me there's not some universities out there that would love to have her just for the recognition of like. Oh, Gabby, girl girl plays at the University of Xyz. That's easy recruiting.

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Mike Padron: University of Miami, University of Miami. Golf is gonna get a lot more views now that Kyle trump is is going there.

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Wes Altice Golf: 1 million percent, no 1 million percent.

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Mike Padron: Not that she needs it, but yes.

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Jesse Stakes: Not just her. But I mean I'm what I'm saying is is that it's it's it's exposure for the program. It's exposure for the other players. I mean, it's just it's it's fantastic.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yup!

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Jesse Stakes: You know, I find it interesting because it's like you start when you when you start going down those rabbit holes. It's like when you when we talk about a page. Speranik, who has, you know, like you said she's pulled in other audiences. She's, you know. She's used other assets, if you will to

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Jesse Stakes: to bring in an audience, but it's my question with it is like, I don't think that she would be nearly as popular as she is, if she couldn't play golf. The reality of it is that she may pull in an audience for a different reason sometimes, but she probably wax all of us like on the golf course.

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Jesse Stakes: Oh, easy, not Wes, but but the other. The other 2 of us.

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Wes Altice Golf: I'd be too distracted. I couldn't play with the shit.

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Wes Altice Golf: No, but in all seriousness, like she kind of got her thing because I think it was like San Diego State or University somewhere, and she kind of popped up on Instagram, and you saw an attractive blonde swinging in a club and being able to compete at the college level like compete.

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Wes Altice Golf: You can't tell me there's not a bunch of 16 to 20 year old kids that are just like, Oh, my God! Like

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Wes Altice Golf: I'm watching that all day long.

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Wes Altice Golf: And she cashed in on it. She owns it. I think that's what I like about it. She owns it. She knows exactly

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Wes Altice Golf: where the bulk of those views are coming from, and her audience, and good for her.

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Jesse Stakes: 100%. I mean, there's there's plenty of attractive people, whether it's women, men, or there's a bunch of attractive people in this world like. There's there's more to that, you know. There's more to that story. There's more to that book. I mean, it's not just a pretty cover. So I think it's fantastic what she's done, you know, along those lines you got Rick Shields, who is kind of, you know, one of the Ogs of Youtube golf. And the guy is he just signed a contract with Live

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Jesse Stakes: to start producing content with them for them through his Youtube channel and through their through their media as well. But but Rick Shields really has. I mean, he's got more more views on a regular basis than anybody on Youtube.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, yeah, I think that was like.

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Wes Altice Golf: the no brainer signing for live is to get these guys. And I think you know, Grant

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Wes Altice Golf: Grant's got to be announcing something soon, probably being joined with live, I mean I can't. I can't imagine. They don't try and get him involved, too. But with him and Phil kinda at the hip right now. It might be just, hey? We'll just keep him happy, Phil and Grant, and we don't have to pay Grant. So

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Wes Altice Golf: who knows how that works out? I'm not sure, but I think it's cool to see like.

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Wes Altice Golf: what are the 3 big one? I think it's the crushers right now are very active on Youtube high flyers. Bill's gonna get that going. And I've seen a little bit of the majestics here and there. I think they did something with Bob. Does sports, or something like that.

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Jesse Stakes: So.

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Wes Altice Golf: So I think.

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Jesse Stakes: About that like we've got. You know. You brought up the crushers like Bryson Dechambeau, and the crushers are going to be rocking reebok gear like for the 1st time back in golf in how many years? But it's like, I think.

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Wes Altice Golf: Greg Norman.

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Jesse Stakes: We're going to find out. Can you know? Can they resurrect a brand? Will people buy reebok golf gear because Bryson Dechambeau and his team are buying. Yes, if that.

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Mike Padron: Valvon can sell if Malvon can sell. After what Jason Day was pulling off in some of these tournaments reebok

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Mike Padron: clock will be able to sell. I mean.

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Wes Altice Golf: the Allen Iverson's is their their golf shoe. I saw that floating around.

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Mike Padron: Which I mean for Reebok.

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Mike Padron: Oh!

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Wes Altice Golf: Patent leather on it. They're bringing them in the world.

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Wes Altice Golf: Red, I believe. Huh!

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Jesse Stakes: Is that a team? You're a fit there, Captain.

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Jesse Stakes: Maybe next year.

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Wes Altice Golf: Might be too late, might be too late.

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Jesse Stakes: But that's I'll tell you. That's 1 of the biggest things that I've noticed is that you know whether it's the live stars, I mean, because I do think that they have really taken advantage of a lot of the social media. And you and what Youtube has had to offer. You know we talked about. We've talked about Bryson Dechambeau and some of these guys, but it's like

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Jesse Stakes: you look at it. Grant. Horvath owns primo sport or primo sportswear or golf wear, whatever whatever the title of it is, they are now fitting the high flyers to Phil Mickelson's lift team. They are going to be, you know, from head to toe, or excuse me from head to ankle, like I think, now.

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Jesse Stakes: but they are. But you know they're gonna be dressing them this year.

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Mike Padron: Oh, apparently they're dressing team. Europe, too, is, from what I've seen. Test messages.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, think about that, though.

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Mike Padron: coming back into the game. If it weren't for Dechambeau's presence in social media, I mean, and Youtube.

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Mike Padron: If he was just live right, and and he wasn't what he is outside of live.

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Mike Padron: I don't think they do.

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Mike Padron: if he's just a player, he's not getting all these different deals, and it's it's a whole different outcome, I think. And that's that's again. That's just baffling that I mean, just something like that that reeboks like I'm jumping back in it. Let's get this done. And I guarantee they're gonna grow their business a lot with this deal. So.

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Wes Altice Golf: And it may be, only it may only be like, Hey, let's try and see what happens in the next 5 years, and then make a decision, because

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Wes Altice Golf: I mean they're going to come in, and they're going to make, I think, some money real quick, especially with the Allen Iverson

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Mike Padron: I'm looking it up now. Those are. Those are pretty sweet.

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Mike Padron: Those are pretty cool.

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Wes Altice Golf: Sold team your shoes, got it.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, did I mean.

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Wes Altice Golf: Comfortable. Yeah, they I'm not gonna lie. They're pretty sweet. I remember them growing up like I

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Wes Altice Golf: pretty sure I had a pair when I was playing basketball. I had a pair of eyes.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yes, man, we're talking practice.

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Jesse Stakes: Well, and then, okay, let's take this a step further, though, because, even like earlier this fall, when we talked to Jason Highland from sub 70 golf.

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Jesse Stakes: are now making some guaranteed money. They they're not necessarily concerned about an equipment contract. So it's giving people like Jason Hyland and Sub. 70 golf

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Jesse Stakes: avada, and some of these boutique manufacturers. The opportunity to work with some of the best players in the world, and get their equipment out there in their hands, and not have to compete with Taylormade and with Callaway, and with, you know, titleist and everybody else to pay them to represent their brands, they can just say, Here's a good piece of equipment. What do you think.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah. And that that's a great point. It really is.

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Mike Padron: And what? What? Ironically last, what did I text you right before this, that I was looking at.

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Wes Altice Golf: Oh, yeah. Tacomo irons. No shocker there.

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Mike Padron: I mean I haven't. I haven't pulled the trigger on them yet. But think about that.

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Wes Altice Golf: It amazing.

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Jesse Stakes: Rent. You're just renting them. You can always put them back on.

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Mike Padron: Like I do with all my putters. There you go! But like that's that's the influence of social media, I mean, like, and actually, we talked about Grant earlier. Grant's now

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Mike Padron: part owner of the Tacoma golfer. So it's like, it's it's crazy with it.

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Wes Altice Golf: He will earn a commission on your purchase.

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Mike Padron: No, yeah, I I guarantee I mean not. There can't be that much of a commission in there.

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Mike Padron: But I mean but then you look at, I mean Rick Shields did a and what that's what I love about Rick Shields is not only is he a great stick, he's he reviews almost any product out there. Sure, he's doing lessons all the time. So he kind of does the whole gamut. Usually there's guys that just do product stuff. There's guys that just do lessons. There's guys do just different games with different clubs and stuff while they're playing. But Rick Shields kind of does it all. He reviewed Tacomo, and it was outstanding review there. It was like.

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Mike Padron: But that's social media, and the presence they have is like

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Mike Padron: a company like that is competing with a tailor made a callaway. And all this stuff that is out there because of because of social media, because of Youtube, because of guys like Grant. And it's it's it's kind of crazy that. That's what's where we're at. But it's it's awesome.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah, I think it's great. It's really cool in a lot of ways, because I think that it's giving like I said, those boutique manufacturers and those people that are like, okay, I'm going to make something really good. But I don't have the. You know the corporate money behind me to compete. It's giving them a platform. It's giving them an opportunity. It's giving them at bats with people that you know. 10 years ago they would have never even gotten a shot at those golfers, because those golfers were pretty reliant on those equipment contracts for a big portion of their dollars.

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Jesse Stakes: I think that there's, you know, it's like, let's play devil's advocate here for a second as well, because, you know Wes and I have talked about this. I've talked about this with you as well, Mike. You know there's been some boutique manufacturers that I've tried some of their stuff, and sometimes the results aren't so great, and you start to realize, you know, how much money some of these larger companies put into R&D, how much you know, care they take in developing the products that they do make.

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Jesse Stakes: And it's and sometimes some of those, some of those people. It is a little bit of a you know, there is a step down in quality. Not all boutique manufacturers are the same. Not all of these small manufacturers put the same care into their products. You know, it's it's, I think, that there's some due diligence on the side of the consumer. Just because, you see something on TV, or just because somebody's advertising something.

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Jesse Stakes: you know, it's there could be a there could be. A big step down in quality is what I'm saying.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, I agree. And I think there's a

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Wes Altice Golf: you're almost kind of holding your feet to the fire a little bit. And with all companies with all these Youtube channels.

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Wes Altice Golf: Lot of them aren't paid to buy a specific company. So they're going to give you like real feedback. If it sucks, they're gonna tell you it sucks.

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Wes Altice Golf: And I think you know.

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Wes Altice Golf: I I, personally haven't seen anything. But I don't think I've ever seen anything bad written about Tacomo, or sub. 70, saying, it's a bad quality product or anything like that. So

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Wes Altice Golf: that's a huge thing. I think that's where these yeah, I think that's where these, you know, you're kind of rolling the dice. If you don't make a great product and you're selling it cheap, you're gonna get exposed like fast.

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Mike Padron: Like as long as you got.

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Wes Altice Golf: Let's do with golfers.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, I mean, obviously, Grant's not gonna go out there and talk crap about Tacoma. But there's plenty of guys that have no invested interest in any of these companies that will give these reviews and and speak honestly and like you said, there's some of these guys have. Just

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Mike Padron: don't ever hear a bad thing about them, and.

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Jesse Stakes: Well, it's another part of Youtube golf. I mean, we talk about the professional aspect of these people that are celebrities or personalities.

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Jesse Stakes: There's a whole. There's other parts of this, too, because to your point, there's product reviews. There are people that just turn their camera on and talk about what they just bought. And you can get honest reviews from real customers of, you know that, like on any brand that you want to type it into Youtube, and you can find content, and you can get some information about it.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah.

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Mike Padron: I'm in the middle of a golf ball dilemma right now.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, alright.

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Mike Padron: I gotta be the most entertaining person in the world. I mean, just quick.

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Wes Altice Golf: Everyone. Every time I get a text from Mike I'm like, what now, like holy shit.

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Mike Padron: That's that's what I like for man.

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Mike Padron: I want you on your toes daily.

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Wes Altice Golf: Oh, yeah.

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Mike Padron: What is he? What is he working on now?

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Wes Altice Golf: The kind. That's the kindest way to say it. Yes.

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Mike Padron: The first.st The 1st thing I do is I go on Youtube or Google, or whatever, and say, you know, like a 2 on work. Chrome tour versus bridgestone be Tour Bx. And I guarantee there's a review, and I guarantee there's a Youtube video showing all the numbers. What a Guy has done. Now, it may not be the same swing speed. It may not be the same things, but you get an idea. So you can narrow a lot of stuff down.

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Mike Padron: but just what other people have done. And it's all right there in a 5 min little video that you can get a lot of information. Okay, yeah, that's not gonna work for me, or that will work for me. Which is how you end up with 20 dozen balls. But

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Mike Padron: we're good.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, I think it's kind of cool, like,

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Wes Altice Golf: ping, has that app? Was it ballmatic? Is that right? Mike? Ballmatic? Yeah, yeah, that's actually a good tool, because they're

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Wes Altice Golf: obviously brand agnostic as far as balls go. And it's kind of cool you can plug in your launch monitor data, and it will spit out options.

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Mike Padron: Yeah.

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Wes Altice Golf: And then, at least, at least, it helps. You know the consumer, you know. All right. What balls for me might be. Mrs. Having camp that has a swing speed of 20 miles an hour, like what's the best ball for me, or or the, you know, higher swing speed amateur. What's going to be better, and it will give you

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Wes Altice Golf: the pros and con. It's unbiased, which is something you don't see very often. So anytime I got someone

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Wes Altice Golf: asking questions about balls. I'm like one. Get a sleeve of each. I know Mike does dozens, but get a sleeve of each. Try them 1st and see what you like, and

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Wes Altice Golf: you know you gotta. You gotta be careful. You gotta be really specific on what you want in the ball.

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Mike Padron: Yeah.

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Jesse Stakes: I don't know what I want in my balls, but all serious in all seriousness. I feel like sometimes like that whole like it's you can go down rabbit holes, too, like you can go down. You can look at stuff and like to your point, Mike. You know there's so much information about anything you look up. If you're looking up balls, if you're looking up clubs, any of that stuff. Sometimes I liken it to the food network.

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Jesse Stakes: and I think about like I can listen to somebody like a guy fieri, or like, you know, on on any of the shows that are on the food network. They'll talk to me. They'll describe what something tastes like. I'll give you a great example. Diners, drive-ins, and dives went to the

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Jesse Stakes: oh, love! It!

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Wes Altice Golf: Shout out to the Metro diner in Jacksonville, Florida.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yes, sir.

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Jesse Stakes: But they went to the. They went to the Metro diner in Jacksonville, Florida, and they ate their stuffed French toast, and they ate their meatloaf.

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Jesse Stakes: both of which I've had. So it was interesting to actually hear somebody describe something that I had actually tasted before. And so it was a very different experience to me, because I'm like I agreed with some of it and didn't agree with others, or didn't you know? Didn't feel the same way about, you know, certain products that he was describing. So it was like, it was interesting because I likened the golf experience like, when you're listening to somebody describe hitting a golf ball.

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Wes Altice Golf: End of the.

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Jesse Stakes: Of the golf ball or the feel off the putter face, or the you know, whatever it is like, I think it's it does help for me, but it also like I am personalizing somebody else's experience. So so there's value there for me. And there's also kind of it kind of sometimes helps me fool myself into thinking.

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Jesse Stakes: This is what I need.

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Wes Altice Golf: Mike is the poster child for that entire statement.

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Mike Padron: What's great

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Mike Padron: crazy. Today, I'll tell you quick story. So basically, what I'm looking. What I'm looking for is, I've been hitting cp. 5 X great off the T. But I'm looking for something with more spin around the green and all that stuff. So I go out there. I have 5 different balls today, 4 different balls. Sorry. And I go out to my simulator and I start hitting just

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Mike Padron: full 58 degree wedges.

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Mike Padron: I hit about 7, 8 each, and get all the averages

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Mike Padron: and every ball within 200 rpms of the other. And I'm like, I'm leaving this session of hitting 50 balls more confused than when I started.

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Wes Altice Golf: And it's.

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Mike Padron: All completely different. I mean, you got tp, 5 x in there. You got chrome chrome tour in there. You got pro v. 1 in there. I mean, it's like I've got it all. I've got the new triple diamond in there, and I'm just like I don't even

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Mike Padron: I don't even know what to do anymore. Honestly, it's just it's crazy, and it's it's but that's what the world we've chosen. Man I just I keep. I'm always tinkering. I've always been that way. And, Jesse, I think you're part of part that way, too, but I'm always just looking for something new and different to try out and

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Mike Padron: you know all of it's gonna make me scratch golfer eventually some point so.

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Jesse Stakes: Eventually 100. But hey, if I live long enough I'll shoot my age.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah, exactly.

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Jesse Stakes: But I think that's part of the fun, you know as an amateur, and as somebody who's like, you know, like my wife. And I talk about it a lot, because it's like part of the fun is trying stuff, and you know, just kind of experiencing it, and as long as you like, as long as you can admit that to yourself and say, hey? This is, you know, this is part of the fun of playing golf, then. Great! The person who thinks that they are going to find a game by buying something. Good luck.

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Wes Altice Golf: That's the industry.

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Jesse Stakes: For, except for lessons.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, that's for sure.

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Jesse Stakes: So I mean if you buy.

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Wes Altice Golf: There you go!

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Jesse Stakes: Lessons from West Alt is, you will improve.

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Wes Altice Golf: Now, now we're talking

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Wes Altice Golf: ironically. That's the only thing I haven't done enough of, and that's probably would change a lot.

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Jesse Stakes: No.

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Wes Altice Golf: How many lessons I could buy with the money I spent on golf balls.

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Wes Altice Golf: golf trips if you did that.

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Mike Padron: Bought these at a pretty good price, though, all of them.

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Mike Padron: But I'm gonna make a little profit when I resell the one I don't use.

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Mike Padron: Funny.

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Mike Padron: See?

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Jesse Stakes: Boys before we before we wrap up. I want to get each of you like your your favorite thing that you like to watch on Youtube. Wes. What is it.

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Wes Altice Golf: Oh, God, I do.

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Wes Altice Golf: I do like to go down the rabbit hole of just listening to what other instructors

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Wes Altice Golf: you know, just kind of challenges my thought process. Maybe I hear something different. Another coach says, I'm like, Oh, crap! I should have used that on that soon, because they're

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Wes Altice Golf: that's that made more sense even to me. So I I think. Just listen to other instructors.

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Wes Altice Golf: you know. I always. I always love listening to like a a Joseph Mayo, because he can. He can just go off on a tangent, and I I like how he has all the math to back it up.

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Wes Altice Golf: You know. Always love listening to going back into my trainings with like Andy plumber and watching old videos that I've recorded with him

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Wes Altice Golf: just to kind of get more nuggets. That kind of stuff, and then another good one is Scott, Calc, if you can see some of his stuff online, if you're instructors.

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Jesse Stakes: Very cool, Mike. What about you?

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Mike Padron: You know the the scramble versus a professional, or whatever. I used to watch a lot of those.

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Mike Padron: a little gotten a little annoying for me. For some reason I don't know why.

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Mike Padron: mostly like a mostly the putting strokes. But bye.

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Jesse Stakes: We'll make sure we tag them on it for this part.

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Mike Padron: That's fine dude. You can tag him all you want. He's heard it all.

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Wes Altice Golf: See you.

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Mike Padron: Riggs has heard, has heard everything about his playing show.

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Wes Altice Golf: Sure it's not one damn thing he hasn't heard bad, so.

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Jesse Stakes: He's got.

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Wes Altice Golf: Thick skin. Rig's got thick skin.

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Mike Padron: Funny part, is it.

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Wes Altice Golf: I like the foreplay guys just to let you know.

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Mike Padron: I do. I do like him, I just and actually, ironically, I do. Every time I see the Daily 9 pop up I watch it, but as much as it's just, it's it's just for me. It's very entertaining to watch. But another thing I like to watch is

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Mike Padron: I'll go through a lot of like the architecture stuff like you'll have, you know, by band and dunes had some good Youtube videos with David Mcclay Kid on the building of Dan abandoned dunes and the whole the process of the architecture of it. That stuff is just fascinating to me.

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Jesse Stakes: Right.

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Mike Padron: So I'll get into a rabbit hole of different golf courses around the world, how they're made and how they use the landscape to do it, and why they do this, and why they do that. And it's just it's it's amazing to me. It's just it's really cool to to watch, so I kind of do both of it. But I'll watch anything related to golf. Honestly, I just

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Mike Padron: It's it's it's all that's all my feed is, anyway. So I don't have a choice

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Jesse Stakes: I tell you my favorite thing that I've really been into lately, because they have shared so much content with matches and with people playing, you know, like, whether it's Phil Mickelson playing matches with Grant Horvath, or you know, or playing some of the live matches that he's done, or Bryson Dechambeau.

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Jesse Stakes: or any of the people that some of these guys like Rick Shields and those guys have on professionals that they have on playing against them like even Dechambeau had, like Sergio Garcia, and different people play against him. I love hearing people when they're miked up, and they're they're walking through their thought process of what they

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Jesse Stakes: Amen about. That's 1 of my favorite things about.

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Wes Altice Golf: Amen!

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Jesse Stakes: Is that you can actually like rather than just see people play golf. You can actually kind of get an idea. What are they thinking, what is, you know? Why did they pick the club they picked? You know. It's like I always found like that's you know, as far as on the PGA tour. They always tell you. You know you gotta. This guy's got 160 yards. He's hitting a pitching wedge or whatever it is, and it's like, well, there's a reason why he's hitting a pitching wedge, and he might be hitting it.

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Jesse Stakes: you know. He might be flighting it low or high, or he might be into the wind or with the wind. And I do love hearing people go through that just because then you actually learn something, or you actually kind of have an idea of why they did something. So I'm a huge fan of of people's. Why, anyways. And I love hearing people's stories, whether it's professionally, why they do what they do

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Jesse Stakes: or why they did. You know why they did something like a shot? Why they why they approached it a certain way. But that's that's always one of my, you know. Kind of geeked out moments is, you know, when you hear somebody's why.

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Mike Padron: Yeah, to that point. That's it.

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Wes Altice Golf: Awesome. No. Go ahead, Mike, that. Yes, I'm I'm.

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Mike Padron: Say to that point. The the PGA has been doing a a decent job of the walk alongs, so they tee off, and then they're walk.

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Mike Padron: I would love to see that. Alter a little bit and do it with a caddy as well as they're walking up and see. Hey, what are you guys thinking here? What do you? You know? What's what's your what's your thought process as you're walking up to this ball? The wind, you know the lie.

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Mike Padron: All these things like little things that they're thinking of. You know the caddies already. Think as soon as he tees off. The caddy's already thinking about what's going to happen on the next shot, and it would be cool to bring them in every once in a while and say, Hey, what are you all thinking on this shot when you're not giving away any secrets for other players? So it's not like.

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Mike Padron: Oh, you're

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Mike Padron: playing the course so it'd be cool to, it'd be cool to get that information as well along with the players on what they're thinking for these shots coming up.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah, I yeah. The

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Wes Altice Golf: Listening to a player that's elite, and can pretty much do whatever they want with the golf ball. And that process

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Wes Altice Golf: I'm with Jesse that that is flat out, fascinating. I think that's where the

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Wes Altice Golf: when you get like the the foreplay guys, or whoever when they do, matches against the pros. And they.

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Jesse Stakes: Yep.

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Wes Altice Golf: One. There's a little shit talking, but 2. They'll actually kind of walk it through a little bit, or I'll chip this 9. It's like, yeah, these guys don't just have one thought on every shot. It's like there's so many factors that go in before they even select the club

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Wes Altice Golf: for the shot, so that, Jesse, I'm with you on that one. That one fascinates the hell out of me.

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Jesse Stakes: Yeah, I get a lot out of it. I just I enjoy it more than anything. It's not like, I can repeat what they're doing, but I really do enjoy listening to it and and just hearing hearing their process. I feel like we touched on a ton of stuff. I loved it. I mean, it's been a fun conversation. I wanna thank you both for joining

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Jesse Stakes: cheers.

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Wes Altice Golf: Cheers, gentlemen!

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Mike Padron: Sir. True.

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Jesse Stakes: I hope everybody enjoyed listening to this. We're going to wrap this thing up and we'll catch you guys down the road.