Movement Driven - Dr. Greg Goldberger, TPI Certified Physical Therapist

If you are Professional at Anything BUT Golf, this ones for you!

Dr. Greg Goldberger joins the show to talk about how Movement Driven Performance Physiotherapy is allowing golfers and active people to perform the sports and hobbies that they love and live a pain-free life.  

So many times, people think that more practice or a new club is what they need to reach that next level of performance that they envision themselves achieving on the golf course.  Maybe - it's a completely different reason... 

In this conversation, Dr. Greg Goldberger joins Wes Altice and I to explore our bodies may prohibit us from making the golf swing we want to execute, or just enjoying a full round of golf with friends, pain free.  As you will hear - movement limitations are not a life sentence!

By the way - if you enjoy the episode and want to take advantage of what Movement Driven has to offer, mention Jesse Stakes and get 50% off your TPI evaluation!

Transcript

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Jesse Stakes: Hey, everybody! Welcome to making sense of it all. I'm your host, Jesse Stakes, and as part of our professional at anything but golf

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Jesse Stakes: series that we're doing. I have Dr. Greg Goldberger. He is the owner and the head of movement driven. Greg. Thank you so much for joining me.

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Greg: Thanks for having me, Jesse. I appreciate it.

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Jesse Stakes: Absolutely. And so, you know, I always. I'm 1 of those people. I always say I don't know what I don't know, and so I always I feel like I always am. I'm not afraid to call on friends to help me out as well. So as part of this interview and part of this whole series. I'm having Wes Altus. He's the head of instruction over at top golf. He's joining me to kind of, you know. Fill in the gaps and make sure that I'm asking the questions that should be asked. So Wes. Thanks again for joining us.

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Wes Altice Golf: Thanks again for having me, Jesse. This is going to be another great conversation for all the golfers out there.

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Jesse Stakes: So, Dr. Greg, tell us about movement driven. Tell tell me what you guys do.

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Greg: Yeah. So movement driven is at at its heart. It's a physical therapy company. So we consider ourselves to be performance physical therapists.

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Greg: So my story is, I come from South Florida and we were. I was working with athletes. I had a really good job working with some Nfl guys, some Mlb. Guys and my wife and I decided to move up to to the Jacksonville St. Augustine area.

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Greg: and we were like, I well, I told her I was like, there's no way I'm gonna find a better spot than than this position. I'm not going to go up and just work for Joe Schmill physical therapy, so I want to do it my way. I want to do it the right way, and she was on board. She's been a huge supporter, so we opened movement, driven performance physiotherapy here in Jacksonville and St. John's. I guess almost 2 and a half years ago. So.

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Jesse Stakes: Congratulations.

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Greg: Thank you. Thank you. So what we specialize in is we work with active individuals in the community, golfers, runners, pickleballers.

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Greg: youth, athletes as well. Anybody who has a reason to be active, a reason to be healthy, and is doing everything that they can to do that in their own way. We'd like to help them, and, and, you know, utilize our expertise so a little bit different than the traditional model physical therapy where you you go in for 2 to 3 week or 2, 2 to 3 times a week for 6 weeks. I don't think that gets us anywhere, so what we try to do is customize something for your schedule, your budget.

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Greg: Whether you want to see us super frequently because you got a lot of pain, and you need some manual therapy and dry needling. And what have you? Or you're just looking for a little tune up. You need a little bit of ice here and there. You need somebody to talk to and fill in the bits and pieces and and build out a program over time. That's what we do as well. So

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Greg: we work with like I said, all types of active individuals. But specifically myself, I've I've taken care of a lot of golfers especially been up here in the in the Jacksonville northeast Florida area. There's lots of average Joe job golfers that need my help. So that's that's what we we love to do here. So yeah, that's a little bit about us.

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Jesse Stakes: That's awesome. And I feel like we're we're going to dive into everything all facets of your business here. But I really, before we even go there. What what is it that inspired you? How did you? How did you even decide that this is the direction that you wanted to take your career.

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Greg: Well, I I grew up as an athlete, primarily a baseball player thrown, and you know, going to the golf golf course a little bit. But the the 2 swings definitely didn't, didn't like each other. And and so I stuck to baseball, growing up because they would just they clashed as much as possible.

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Wes Altice Golf: The time all the time.

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Greg: I think they're completely we can talk about that. That's a whole nother episode, maybe. But so I grew up an athlete and I actually grew up wanting to be an architect. And then I did drafting in high schools like Nope. That's not for me, and I spent some time at a physical therapy place, a place that I eventually became my employer. And he was the marlins physical therapist down South Florida, the Miami Marlin.

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Greg: And so he had all types of athletes coming through his door, and so I would go to his, his place in the summer and just train as as a baseball player. I was like, Wait, you're a physical therapist doing this with these types of level athletes. I'm like, this is a dream job.

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Greg: And so I took anatomy, and then, like the next year, I was like, this is this is my thing. I never looked back, and and so fast forward after schooling and and working in the traditional physical therapy sector.

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Greg: I realized it wasn't a way to get people better. You know, we talk about tissue time tissue healing times. If you have a sprained ankle or a pulled hamstring, there's a certain timeline where your body needs that time to get better, and the fact that we, if the doctor prescribes physical physical therapy, it's a 4 to 6 week, timeline. It takes 4 to 6 weeks to start to get stronger. So what what I felt like was there needed to be a different model of therapy? That people had access to? And so what we do is try to look at for the root cause.

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Greg: We're not just trying to put a bandit on a Boo Boo, and you know, fix you and make you feel good. We can do that in a few sessions. But to really make changes, it takes time. It takes consistency. And so that's why we space out visits from a budgeting standpoint and a realistic standpoint for people's timeline, too, like people are busy dads and moms, and they don't have. And they're working. Nobody has time to to give me 2 to 3 h, because I sure as hell don't have time to give that to anybody else.

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Greg: I get it. So we build out something, and then you have access to it. So I wanted to to build my business in a way to to help out the person from a realism standpoint and actually make a change rather than being referred from doctor to therapist to chiropractor, to massage therapist, and like everybody's doing their thing. But nobody's given an answer as to like, why are you having back pain?

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Greg: It's because your hips aren't moving, and when you go into the golf swing and your hips aren't moving. Your t-spine's not moving, and the low back is rotating

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Greg: when it's not really designed to rotate. So we can go into that in detail. You're gonna have low back pain. It's gonna happen. So my job is to like, minimize that. I don't. I never promise to take away people's pain. I promise to get you feeling as good as you can, and do the things that you love so at the heart of it. I like I really love what I do. I get passionate about it. And and if I can make people enjoy what they love to do, just 10% more

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Greg: with 50%. Excuse me, 50% less pain than like

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Greg: we're killing the end. So that's what I love to do.

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Jesse Stakes: Nice. I I'll tell you. I had a very similar journey to you, not necessarily into physical therapy, but in from baseball to golf, as far as I grew up playing golf. Excuse me, grew up playing baseball. Didn't really have much exposure to the game of golf at all. And then it was after an injury, ironically. Really, that I was like, okay, can't play baseball anymore.

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Jesse Stakes: Sticking a ball. Golf makes sense. Why don't I try this? It's got to be simple, right? It's not moving. And so one of the one of the biggest things that was a kind of an eye opener for me making that transition, or when I 1st even, you know, had that kind of entry into the game, was that with baseball there is a whole lot of

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Jesse Stakes: brute force. There's a whole lot of just, you know, very quick power you're using. You're using the, you know, the the momentum of a moving ball towards you to create power. And to your point, it's a very different activity. It's a very different swing. There's a lot of flexibility. There's a lot of position like positions that you that you necessarily have to get in in a golf swing compared to baseball or compared to some other sports.

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Jesse Stakes: and it was one of those eye openers for me because I realized, Hey.

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Jesse Stakes: you don't do this motion very well like this, you know, there's certain things that maybe like whether it's injuries as we had talked about when I 1st met you. You know whether it's knee injuries or or hip mobility or anything. It really can impact

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Jesse Stakes: the way that you play the game or the way you know compensating motions, whatever it is. But it's but it actually can make the game a little bit more challenging when it comes to trying to, you know, I guess. Get into it from the beginning, or get into it as a beginner so

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Jesse Stakes: long winded way to kind of go into a question of you know

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Jesse Stakes: you said that you you know you kind of started around baseball yourself. Then you went into training with the you know, with the trainer from the Miami Marlins. What was it that actually got you to say? Hey, you know what I think. I want to focus on golf. I think golf is something that I have a passion for or something that I want to. I want to kind of move my business towards.

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Greg: Yeah. Well, honestly, I I'll be honest. It was a lot of the need that I felt like I saw here, and.

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Jesse Stakes: Okay.

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Greg: Started the the Tpi stuff myself. I've seen other practitioners, both chiropractors and physical therapists. A lot are up and coming in this area which I love to see, and and the competition is great. So like, let's help everybody. But it really was so I'll be honest. I came up here and feeling like, you know, my my primary is baseball. I don't know the the golf swing like a Wes, or like a coach mo, or any of the golf instructors. Obviously I don't want to be dishonest. I don't want to come off as like a fraud and be like, oh, I'm the golf expert, because

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Greg: I don't intend to know the golf swing as much as a golf instructor at all. What I do know is how to move the body in a way that the golf instructor and I team up and and find a way to to communicate, to do what's best for our shared client. Right? So it came from a necessity in in the area. And and it's something that I felt like I wanted to do as well, because I do love to golf as well. And so, Tpi, and we can kind of shift to that a little bit. Tpi is just

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Greg: a nice structure to give us a foundation of of an assessment and a way to progress. But.

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Jesse Stakes: So before before we even get into it. I don't mean to cut you up. No, let's let's talk about Tpi. But what does Tpi stand for. Because, yeah, some of the audience is going to understand what you're talking about. Somebody else is going to hear 3 letters. So let's start bare basics. What is? What does Tpi stand for?

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Greg: Yeah, so Tpi is titleist Performance Institute. So titleist got together a bunch of golf instructors, chiropractors and physical therapists and other another fitness professionals, personal trainers, and and they came up with a 1616 different movement patterns that they felt. If you could master those 16 different movement patterns, a lot of them are mobility assessments, but require some strength and coordination, and and things like that as well. If you could master those things.

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Greg: then you have what.

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Greg: as well as we can predict a really good foundation in terms of a golf fitness handicap to be able to do all the different things you, your body requires of you on the golf course in terms of the the right amount of rotation in your hip, or the ability to dissociate

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Greg: the movement of your spine from your pelvis, because West can speak to this. The golf, the golf swing is very much about sequencing, and that's a lot of things. If if we can't separate. And this is one that you had a lot of trouble with. Jesse was separating the pelvis from the spine. So basically, Tpi is, is this kind of organizational chart we go through this system of.

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Greg: can you move these 16 specific ways? And then it gives us a nice output of like this is what's wrong with you, so to speak. And how can we improve on it? And then I use my own knowledge and my own expertise from the physical therapy world to further dive into. Okay? Well, this Tpi showed you have poor

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Greg: or hip mobility in your screen. Right? But what's the reason for that. So now I have to look into. Is it a passive range of you know you're lacking joint mobility, or is it a strength, limitation where your mobility is fine, but once you get standing on 2 feet and you have to actively rotate through a swing, you don't have the control or the the stability or the strength to move around the hip joint. And so my job is to lineate those and then build out a program to to address all of those, all of those issues.

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Jesse Stakes: Excellent Wes, do you have anything to add there any got any questions there.

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Wes Altice Golf: No, yeah. I just wanted to kind of, you know, with the Tpi model. I've been through the whole thing myself. I can't tell you how many of the golf coach ones I went through. And it's it's just kind of also to put out there that

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Wes Altice Golf: Tpi is not saying if you don't pass all these things. You can't play good golf. It gives the fitness instructor.

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Wes Altice Golf: you know, that ability be like all right. We can see potentially a problem coming up in an injury per se. But yeah, you could look up and down Pj tour, and a lot of those guys would fail it. But however.

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Wes Altice Golf: they're in the gym all the time, so it is a great thing to help with the injury prevention, and if we're kind of stuck in a certain area of can't get a movement to go. That's where it's nice to be. Okay. Well.

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Wes Altice Golf: he's lacking internal rotation of the lead hip. That's why he stays on his back foot, or he just they just don't know how to do it yet, and you know their brains not allowing them to be get onto that left side, because there might be some kind of impingement. But yeah, it's a it's very good. And I I do like making sure my golfers don't get hurt while they're playing golf.

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Jesse Stakes: You know, one of my one of my favorite books, and it's a business book, but it's called Who Not How

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Jesse Stakes: and it's it's a book. If you guys haven't seen it or heard of it, or if my audience hasn't, I was actually turned on to it by a investment professional of mine, a real estate investment. Professional. Thank you. My, very much. Ian Brown. But it's essentially this whole book is talking about how you know if you're trying to figure out how to do everything. You're spending your time in the wrong places, you you, if you have experts, if you have, who's

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Jesse Stakes: that are very good, or they're experts at what they do, that you're much better off hiring or or partnering with a who, rather than trying to figure out how to do it yourself, and so like. When I hear the 2 of you speak, or when I hear you know Coach mo speak with Greg, cause I know that they do a tremendous amount of partnership together. It's all about making sure that you have. Who's that are really good at what they do that are taking their piece and moving it forward. So it's I think that that's

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Jesse Stakes: one of the one of the biggest things that I hear in this is just making sure that you know you don't have to know everything one person doesn't has that doesn't need to be an expert in anything. But you do have to know who is an expert in their field. And so, Greg, I think that that's that's huge.

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Jesse Stakes: you know, along the lines of as far. As for my audience, for that, for that professional that's 30, 40, 50 years old, you know whether they're new to the game, or if they've been in the game

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Jesse Stakes: like, do you consider Tpi to be something that's strictly for professionals? Or do you think that this is something that would be incredibly valuable for anybody within that age bracket anybody at any skill level to incorporate into what they do.

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Greg: Oh, yeah, absolutely the latter. It it's good for anybody on any level. You could argue that, you know, West pointed out that there's many professionals that wouldn't necessarily pass. But I would also argue, there's many that would you know what I mean, or at least do fairly well on it because they're in the gym, and they have all of these professionals. Right? So

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Greg: there's a reason why these 16 movements were were picked because we need a certain amount of, we need a certain amount of thoracic rotation. We need a certain amount of hip rotation. We need a certain amount of hamstring flexibility and glute activation. And when you don't have those things we can improve on those. And so for the average Joe, somebody who's working out just to lose a little bit of weight, or stay healthy or be a dad.

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Greg: What this provides is that guidance like this is the way to do it. This is the order of operations. We have to build a foundation of mobility before we can add the strength component. And our job is just is to basically hold your hand through the process. And and like, I said, you can see us as often as you need to. We give our recommendations, but people live busy lives, and people have different budgets. So if you want to come, see us and really get that that ball rolling, especially if you have some pain, we like to jump, start things and and do it once a week for a few weeks

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Greg: and then get it to where now you have a main maintenance program. And we can build out that program as detailed as it is. If it's just rehab type things, or it's like, Hey, build me out an entire exercise program to work on power and speed and everything

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Greg: that is needed as well as I want to be healthy, just to be a dad, or just to be able to go play.

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Greg: you know, as a golfer, as as part of my profession, and and network and things like that. So, like all of those things fit in there. So the Tpi fits with all of those types of people. For sure.

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Jesse Stakes: No doubt. Well, and I I think honestly, you can take something as simple as tying your shoes, if if I don't have flexibility in my lower half and my lower back in my hamstrings, and if I bend down to tie my shoes, and if I'm inflexible I'm gonna hold my breath. I'm gonna tighten up. I it's gonna be like, there's gonna be a stress level, even with something as simple as tying your shoes. But if you have flexibility.

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Jesse Stakes: You breathe fine. Your your heart rate doesn't, doesn't accelerate. There's nothing that happens differently than just living your life on a regular basis. If you are flexible enough to do that simple motion. I use that because anybody can relate to tying their shoes unless someone has a closet full of slip ons which I don't know anybody who has that. But in that case I apologize for using that anecdote. But but most people can relate to tying your shoes.

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Greg: Sure. And I think that's you know. I think that's a really simple way to put it where, like most of the people that come through our doors in the physical therapy world, like most injuries, are repetitive in nature, you know things don't. It's not like I have a bunch of oh! I stepped off a curb and sprained my knee like that doesn't come into my door.

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Wes Altice Golf: No.

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Greg: I don't know what happened. I was doing squats. I was fine, and then, like 2 h later, my knee started hurting, and it's a little swollen. I don't know.

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Greg: Well, it was like the straw that broke the camel's back, and so to your point, like there's a domino effect that happens there right if you're not moving well, here, then the body's gonna compensate in some way, and we see the same thing in the golf swing, and I think Wes can speak to this. But you know things like when you start to early extend, it's gonna lead to hanging back. It's gonna lead to casting more like once once one thing goes really haywire, you're gonna have to compensate to get the straw.

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Greg: the the head to the ball as cleanly as you can.

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Greg: and then those things in turn can also cause injuries. If we're casting too much. I see lots of people with with wrist issues, and and you know the golfers and tennis elbow stuff like there's lots of those repetitive things where that could be your casting, because your hips not moving well, and I, you know, I don't like to jump there and like I'm gonna

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Greg: I'm gonna fix your hip for your wrist issue.

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Greg: But there is a there is argument for it in certain cases, for sure, and so like to bring it back to your point, like, it's a domino effect, for sure. And so all I try to do whether you're golf or not is like.

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Greg: where's that? Where's that domino to keep falling over? Let's stand it back up, and then let's go from there.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, that's a that's a great point. Just I mean anything in the golf. Swing. It all leads back to some type of root cause you're hanging back. Well, why, why are you hanging back, or like? I said, why are you casting so? There's always something in that chain

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Wes Altice Golf: that's faulty. And you know, if people want to go down the route, you know I always encourage them. Get the body going because you'll play golf way way longer, and then, even within, you know Tpi's, you can make compensations in the golf swing to temporarily to make sure you

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Wes Altice Golf: can move and give yourself a little bit more mobility, I mean, just simply

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Wes Altice Golf: layering out the feet a little bit can help with some of that rotation within the hip. So that's always, you know an option. We do have options

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Wes Altice Golf: until you get better with your body like you said.

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Wes Altice Golf: But in the meantime, hey, you kind of want to play good golf right now. And for those changes just like a mechanical change, body change is going to take a while. It's not oh, cool. I'm going to go see Greg, and I'm going to be fixed after I see him. It's like no dude. You've got to work at it.

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Greg: So that's a great point. I do want to touch on that. But to your point, too, with the toes flare now to get a little bit more hip rotation if you came to me and you had a lack of hip mobility.

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Greg: I'm not gonna retrain 40 years of lost mobility like. I'm not a worker. Unfortunately, my job is to get you a few extra degrees, and you can still flare out, because that's probably still what you need, because you didn't get the full 60 of internal rotation that you need. But now you have more wiggle room, if you, if you have a weird lie if you have, if you just, there's more options. And so what I tell my patients all the time is I'm giving you variability of movement.

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Greg: You've been moving the same way. I just want to give you options. So you're not harping on the same tissues creating injury cause that's my 1st sport focus. And then also, it's going to be better for your golf team, because now you have, you have different ways that you're you're good at multiple ways of getting the club head there rather than this is my only option, because I can't move at all in that front.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah.

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Greg: Whatever it is. Yeah.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, especially. You see that more with, you know, middle age, you know, guys been sitting in the office, you know, for the past 20 years like, Oh, I'm gonna take golf up again because I have time. It's like, Yeah, okay, we've we got some work to do. And I think.

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Greg: But my car's on that 1st visit was.

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Jesse Stakes: It's like here, dude like.

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Wes Altice Golf: Get moving. No, and it's just like during kind of my lessons, too. I'm always like, all right.

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Wes Altice Golf: I need to know you have. You have 2 sources of pain, one the pain that of the shots you're hitting on the golf course because you don't like them. And are you having any physical pain when you're swinging the club, even after you're done like, is there a specific area that's hurting that kind of cues me in without having to run through a huge you know.

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Wes Altice Golf: assessment, you know. Physically I can be like, all right. I can start running through my checklist of things like, all right. Maybe I need to open them up. Maybe I need to close them up that way. We can take that pain away when they play golf and then get their body working the right way as soon as possible. That's where a fitness, professional like yourself comes in.

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Jesse Stakes: You know one of the thing like one of the biggest things, the overarching themes. When I'm thinking about the audience that we're talking to here, and what I'm hearing is is that you know, when you're looking to start saying, I want to improve at this. I want to get better at it.

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Jesse Stakes: One of the biggest things that you're gonna offer them, Greg. And it's not just for them. It's for the professional that they're working with is that you're offering them a blueprint to get better. You're offering them, you're saying, here's where you have deficiencies, or where you excel in motion in your body, currently, and it tells them, you know, potentially what they can work on.

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Jesse Stakes: And it all. But it also tells their instructor. Here's what I'm working with. Here's what I here's the, you know. Here's the raw materials that I'm working with to help this person get better. I know that you and Mo talk about that a lot as far as your like, as far as the partnership that you guys have generated. That's kind of what you guys told me was that you're essentially, you know you're creating, you're creating like input for her or input for whoever the coaches that you're dealing with. To say, you know, this is this is where you got right now

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Jesse Stakes: doesn't mean that you that that's what you'll have 6 months from now, or 12 months from now, if that person decides to do something, but if they don't decide to do anything, if they are a 42 year old, professional like myself, and I don't have the time to put into it. Then, potentially, this is what you got. This is what you have to work with.

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Greg: I think so. Here's how I would. Here's how I look at like let's look. Take your hip. Mobility, issue.

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Greg: You're hit. Mobility 42.

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Greg: On the way. But but we know that you have poor hip mobility specifically internal rotation. Yes.

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Greg: We need to work on that, whether you're a golfer or you came to see me as I'm just lifting in the gym for my health.

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Greg: If you had that little of hip mobility, I would say we need to increase that hip mobility to prevent hip arthritis 20 years from now to prevent knee issues 20. You already have some of those right to prevent knee issues from getting worse 20 years from now. So I'm at my job like, I said, I'm a physical therapist first, st

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Greg: so my job is to prevent injury for you and give you the best ability to move long term, and I leave the golf stuff to the golf professional. So when you come to see me, I 1st have to make sure. Are you functional to do XYZ, and then are you functional to do XYZ. In the golf swing.

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Greg: So if you, if you were to continue on your path and not do a single thing to address specifically that hit mobility, it's a matter of

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Greg: when not if you know what I mean. It's only a matter of time before I'm not golfing at all anymore.

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Greg: And yeah, and as much as it, it sounds cool to be better on the golf course. My 1st job is to keep you on the golf course. I just want you to do what you love to do. And I'm like I said, I don't make promises. I'm not going to say you're going to shoot your age at any like. I'm just trying to get you

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Greg: to keep doing what you love, whatever that is. So when somebody comes in like I want to be able to play golf until I'm 75 years old. I want to play 3 times a week, and I want to walk it once a week if I want to. Hell. Yeah.

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Greg: what are we going to do? Like you said, let's lay out the blueprint. Let me teach you how to build the house.

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Greg: Let me give you the tools, but you have to build the house.

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Jesse Stakes: There I love that.

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Greg: You have to put the work in like anything you want to build your business, you wanna you want to be a better father. You want to be a better professional. Put the frickin work in dude. So it's just a matter of what you want and expectations. We kind of spoke about this when we met before. It's a matter of expectations. This is what I tell people all the time like

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Greg: losing in the 1st round versus the Hawk, getting there and losing in the 1st round they both lost. But it's drastically different outcomes. One had expectations to win a championship. One was happy to be there, and what just wanted to fight right? So one's a success and one's a failure, but they had the same result. So when you go into it, if you just if you want to be, if you want to beat all your buddies and and win a little bit of money on on Saturday, when you go out with them. What are you gonna do to get that money like, just like anything. So

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Greg: I mean, but it's true, right and.

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Greg: Myself this self talk all the time. I don't want to wake up and work out in the morning, but I look at those kids faces, and I know what I gotta do to to keep to demonstrate at least 2 reps really good for Jesse when he comes in. Next time I got my part to do what I need to do for whatever that is that I I set my my goals as right. So if you want to be a golfer, and you want to get better, or you just want to golf long term.

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Wes Altice Golf: I think I think people a lot sorry, Jesse, with golf, they expect, because the ball's not moving, and all this stuff that they can just like take one lesson or come into one training session, and they're gonna get better right away. It's like no dude like I said, you have to put in the work if you want to get better, but being armed with the tools to do that, then the onus is back on the player, and it's not so much on us to, you know. Make sure they're doing it. If you don't want to do it. You're not going to do it. That's plain and simple.

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Greg: And then, you know, and to that point, too, you know, you people compare themselves to the professionals all the time, no matter.

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Greg: People and people compare themselves to the professionals. We have to also take a step back as ourselves. Be like, okay, these guys get paid lots of money to do what they love to do. They have a nutritionist, a chef, a Cairo, a therapist, a trainer, a massage therapist, half of them travel with them like these guys have it made in the shade. And for us to say, Why can't I?

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Greg: Because you got 3 kids running around? You got a full time job, and you're you're trying to get Bill to Bill. And yeah, you just want to go on the golf course and have some fun once a week. Yup!

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Wes Altice Golf: Very true, very very true.

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Greg: Let's what are the things we have to do to keep that as part of your life.

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Jesse Stakes: That's what inspired this whole thing. That's why that's why we're doing this series is really because when you look, you go on Youtube, or you go on any of these you look at. You know these people who review golf clubs. They do anything they really are. I mean.

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Jesse Stakes: you look at their. I mean, they're they're 100 1,015 mile an hour. Swing speed. They're, you know, they're scratch golfers or their plus handicaps sitting there, saying, Here, here, you know, like they're they're they're doing it for entertainment purposes. They've created a business out of it. But when you, as a you know, like you said as a busy professional, as a busy father, as a busy, as a busy mother. Whoever you are.

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Jesse Stakes: Then you go out and you're in your. You know that there's a disconnect between what you see or what you you know, kind of what you've expected to to happen when you strike a golf ball versus what you actually do, then it's that it's that disconnect. And so really, it's like, that's 1 of the big purposes of doing. All of this is to kind of

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Jesse Stakes: what proper expectations should be. You know what's possible for that individual, and so that they can go out there and enjoy the type of golf that they can play, or the golf game that they do have. And it's in really right size their expectations and also approach the game in a way that allows them to do what whatever they're looking to do with it, where they're looking to just have fun or maximize their potential, whatever it is. That's what inspired me to even take this up and

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Jesse Stakes: kind of talk. Have these conversations. So I think it's spot on that. All being said I'd love to ask, do you have any specific success stories or anything that you would? You know you don't have to name names, but just

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Jesse Stakes: people love stories. People love to hear kind of. You know things that have happened where it's it's a, you know, where people have kind of kind of pulled themselves up, or have had success doing this.

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Greg: Yeah. I mean, we work with lots of juniors. Coach Mo is awesome and and sends me a lot of our juniors. We have a performance program. But but I do see the better results to be honest with the average guy, so like the one that comes to mind when we're talking about this I won't say names because of hip and stuff, but but he's he's he's a dad in St. John's. He's got 2 kids that are middle school and high school. He's a busy professional. He loves to golf and he golfs on the golf course from a from a business standpoint as well.

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Greg: and he's like, but I'm a golfer, too, and you know here are my goals, and he listed them out for me just like we talked about.

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Greg: And so we did. I did the Tpi. I did my physical therapy assessment, and his hips weren't moving at all, and that was the source of his knee pain. And you know, if we had just take done a regular physical therapy evaluation, and just done quad and hamstring and exercises like

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Greg: you. You can fix the knee rather easily, like any any Joe Schmo. Physical therapist can fix your knee pain in 3 to 4 for visits. It's a matter of if if it's going to come back 3 months from now. And so, if all I did was get that knee better? Nothing he would. The next time he went on the golf course, because his hip wasn't rotated. He would have put more torsion through that front side, that front hips not rotating. So he's he's just

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Greg: like tiger tigers famous for this. This is what happened to Tiger's Knee when his. His low back wasn't rotating, so he wasn't getting through, and then his knee, his front knee just got torn up.

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Greg: And so all we have all we've done with him is is, you know, we did hit mobility for a few visits, and he was good as new. Now he sees he sees me monthly as as a just a maintenance thing, and we just work on anything he needs to. But that's just like I have so many of those right there comes to mind in terms of super special, but it's like he has any pain. He came. I can't golf. I can't play around in the backyard with my kids. My knee hurts. The doctor says I need this. I don't agree.

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Greg: Let's get your hip moving.

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Greg: That was it? And so it can be as simple as that. And and that goes back to the point at the beginning, like these plans can be super customized for each individual

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Greg: like. Is it better to see me weekly and give me more money for me? For sure? Of course. Yeah, it is. It is better for you, but if that's not what works for you, that's totally fine. Tell me what works for you. Tell me your budget. Tell me your timeline. Here's what to do, and if you're willing to put in the work.

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Greg: there's no reason why we can't improve. You know what I mean.

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Jesse Stakes: Absolutely. So if somebody's looking to get started, if they're, you know, if they're if they're like, okay, this sounds like something that I want to do?

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Jesse Stakes: Where do they start? How do they? You know what's the best way? What's the best 1st step.

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Greg: Yeah, so for me individually, you can just go to our website at movement, driven.com and and fill out a a form. And we you can schedule a discovery call. So we do free 15 min phone calls. So we can talk about, you know. Make sure we're the right fit for you, and and talk about what you got going on, and and kind of get all that nitty gritty out of the way, and then we'll set up an evaluation. When you come in. We start with that Tpi

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Greg: we go into looking more closely at whatever injuries you might have or old injuries that you know, you might not even realize what immobility issues you still have lingering from that shoulder issue. You had it back in college, or whatever it is.

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Greg: So we just do a full assessment. And then from that day we start treatment. So we start manual therapy and we start building out that program for you. And you leave with videos in your email of specifically what you need to do, how often you need to do it. And then, when you need to see me again, if you're not specifically in my area, you won't. You're looking to work with anybody else, anyway. Tpi also has.

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Greg: I think, a lot of people choose to be listed on the Tpa website. So you can go to the Tpi and see who's registered as a medical professional, a power fitness, professional a golf instructor, junior specialist. And you can see who's in your area and then get started that way for people who aren't local. But if you were interested working me, we do virtual as well. It doesn't. You know. It's not as as good as the in person stuff. We can't do the manual therapy, but if you're interested in seeing how I can help you, we do virtual. So like, I said, just go to movement driven.com find us there, and all our socials are there, and that kind of stuff.

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Jesse Stakes: Excellent. I can speak for myself just just from having a you know, an experience with you that that you're very I mean, it's it's you're easy to put put your trust in as far as from a physical physical standpoint. You're you know what you're doing. It is eye opening as far as the results and the data that you do get back.

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Jesse Stakes: And then, like you said, it's just what do you do with it yourself? So if somebody's looking to get, you know, if somebody's looking to improve their physical wellbeing, if they're looking to improve their physical health, which will also help them on the golf course. You know I would encourage you to talk to Dr. Greg, take a look at their website, take a look at what they have to offer. It's it's tremendously beneficial for your health. And, as you said, if you're looking to stay active through your life.

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Jesse Stakes: then it's when you have issues. It's easy to fix them when they 1st become a problem until they you don't want them to become chronic. You don't want them to become something that is debilitating to where you're now having to dig out of a hole rather than just fix a small issue. So.

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Jesse Stakes: Greg, I think it's true. I think what you have to offer is tremendous. I want to thank you for joining the program.

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Greg: Thank you.

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Jesse Stakes: I would love to have you back as we continue to go through this series. As you know, I'm sure it's just like anything else. You don't know what you don't know, and you don't know what questions are gonna pop up. And as I'm going through my own journey doing this and kind of the experiences that we have. I'd love to share them with the audience. And and have you come on and do it with me?

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Greg: Yeah, I would love to. I, yeah, I'd love to break down more topics, individually specific types of issues that your your get your listeners may have. We can talk about those, and I appreciate you for having me, and let me talk about my business a little bit very much appreciated, and for your listeners, anybody who wants to to cash in on a on a, on a nice deal, I'm going to offer 50% off for the initial email. So anybody who wants to come see us just just mention Jesse, Jesse stakes when you when you reach out and we'll hook you up on that 1st visit. At least. Get you the Tpi and get you set on a nice little 4 week program

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Greg: for a nice discount. So want to help people in general. So anybody that needs help, please reach out free discovery calls. If you just want to ask me my my opinion. Happy to do so.

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Jesse Stakes: Excellent Wes. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it as always.

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Wes Altice Golf: Yeah, thanks for having me on Greg. Great meeting you, man. And yeah, I think anyone that is starting to get back into golf, at least figure out what's moving what needs to be worked on. So you can play golf for as long as you can, because you can keep the body up golf. Can. You can play golf for years and years and years. So it is really awesome stuff.

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Greg: You know. That's a great point to finish it off with, like it is the sport that everybody thinks of as you can play and and be long, have that longevity. But

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Greg: I think we were naive. If we don't look at our grandparents generation, they were much more active than we are, and I think that's that can't be said too lightly. So so if anybody's looking at jump, start their their routine, and they they've been afraid to get back into it, because they know they have knee pain and they can't squat. So how do you get like? That's that's what we do. So please reach out. Jesse, let me know when you want your your next appointment. We'll hook you up again for sure. And then, Wes, if you ever need anything. Let me know, man, it was great meeting.

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Wes Altice Golf: We'll we'll definitely be reaching out, and so we can tear down my messed up body right now.

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Greg: Yeah, and I'll come. You have to tear down my golf swing. I'll come by top. We're right up the street from you. We got a location like a mile up the road on St. John's St. John's Bluff, so.

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Wes Altice Golf: Perfect.

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Greg: Yeah, I'll have to come by and see one day.

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Wes Altice Golf: Awesome. Please, do, yeah.